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69 383 H code some w holley carb some carter AVS why? #593769 01/25/10 06:07 PM 01/25/10 06:07 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 14,471 renton, Washington ph23vo OP I Live Here
ph23vo OP I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 14,471 renton, Washington	my 69 383 H code.. for dan.. [there better now?] has a holley while some have an avs whats the difference and why did they do this? dan

Re: 69 383 HP some w holley carb some carter AVS why? [Re: ph23vo] #593770 01/25/10 06:24 PM 01/25/10 06:24 PM
Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 583 San Antonio, TX CurYellowBird mopar
CurYellowBird mopar Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 583 San Antonio, TX	I did a lot of asking about this topic a couple months back. I have a 71' 383 HP and it has a carter on it. One issue was that there was a quality issue with holley back in the late 60's and early 70's. For some reason, can't remember what part specifically, but the carb over time would start leaking gas and was a hazard to causing car fires. The replacement from the dealers was the carter carb after chrysler realized the issue. Another thing is whether your car has AC or not. I've looked at 440's and 383's and why they both had either holley or carter. Mine has a carter because it has AC so I'm guessing the body of the holley carb interfered with our massive AC compressors. I had a few guys tell me my car came with a holley, which is a possibility but from what I found it came with a carter. Project War Bird: 1971 Plymouth Roadrunner 383 4 speed with air conditioning GY3 Curious yellow All original

Re: 69 383 HP some w holley carb some carter AVS why? [Re: CurYellowBird] #593771 01/25/10 06:52 PM 01/25/10 06:52 PM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,954 Blairsden, CA T Triggerfish top fuel
Triggerfish top fuel T Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,954 Blairsden, CA	Quote: I did a lot of asking about this topic a couple months back. I have a 71' 383 HP and it has a carter on it. One issue was that there was a quality issue with holley back in the late 60's and early 70's. For some reason, can't remember what part specifically, but the carb over time would start leaking gas and was a hazard to causing car fires. The replacement from the dealers was the carter carb after chrysler realized the issue. Another thing is whether your car has AC or not. I've looked at 440's and 383's and why they both had either holley or carter. Mine has a carter because it has AC so I'm guessing the body of the holley carb interfered with our massive AC compressors. I had a few guys tell me my car came with a holley, which is a possibility but from what I found it came with a carter. I bought a 70 383 4 spd cuda off the showroom in 1970 & it had AC and the Holley 735 CFM carb. I remember cause I pulled the AC out, installed a foam air cleaner, cut the scoops open in the hood & installed headers. Wonder if meeting smog requiremants was a factor between the Carter or Holley?

Re: 69 383 HP some w holley carb some carter AVS why? [Re: ph23vo] #593772 01/25/10 09:18 PM 01/25/10 09:18 PM
Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 8,948 Harlan, Iowa 69CoronetRT master
69CoronetRT master Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 8,948 Harlan, Iowa	Quote: my 69 383 hP has a holley while some have an avs whats the difference and why did they do this? dan Generally the 335 horse cars got the Carter and the 330 horse cars with automatic (i.e. RR/SB with A/C) got a Holley. What's your application? Seeking: 1969 St. Louis plant VINs, SPD, and VONs. Over 2,000 thanks to you!

Re: 69 383 HP some w holley carb some carter AVS why? [Re: 69CoronetRT] #593773 01/25/10 09:30 PM 01/25/10 09:30 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 14,471 renton, Washington ph23vo OP I Live Here
ph23vo OP I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 14,471 renton, Washington	69 fury VIP 383 HP A/C loaded options car including W23 recall wheels! dan

Re: 69 383 HP some w holley carb some carter AVS why? [Re: ph23vo] #593774 01/25/10 09:34 PM 01/25/10 09:34 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,507 Royersford, PA B bschargerse master
bschargerse master B Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,507 Royersford, PA	My '69 Charger 330-horse 383 has a Carter AVS. Brian - 1971 Dodge Challenger "The Dodge, which was practically stock, just left the Mustang like you wouldn't believe."

Re: 69 383 HP some w holley carb some carter AVS why? [Re: bschargerse] #593775 01/25/10 10:01 PM 01/25/10 10:01 PM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 520 New Zealand nz383man mopar
nz383man mopar Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 520 New Zealand	My '70 Barracuda 330-horse 383 auto, non air has a Carter AVS.

Re: 69 383 HP some w holley carb some carter AVS why? [Re: ph23vo] #593776 01/25/10 10:13 PM 01/25/10 10:13 PM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,407 S.E. Florida, USA rrunner master
rrunner master Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,407 S.E. Florida, USA	Quote: 69 fury VIP 383 HP A/C loaded options car including W23 recall wheels! dan Wasn't it a A/C C body thing in 69? When my uncle gets back in town I will have to see if I can jog his memory on that one we parted way back when to see what carb it had. I don't seem to remember I got one lug for ya Last edited by rrunner; 01/25/10 10:15 PM.

Re: 69 383 HP some w holley carb some carter AVS why? [Re: rrunner] #593777 01/25/10 10:22 PM 01/25/10 10:22 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 457 Hightstown, NJ njdevil2 mopar
njdevil2 mopar Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 457 Hightstown, NJ	'70 roadrunner convertible 383/4speed, 8/1969 build date Edelbrock aluminum intake with.....a HOLLEY. So, now do we throw away the book (again?) No A/C car for sure...and that's what came with the car. Early production with left over '69 parts? It's just too weird. Last edited by njdevil2; 01/25/10 10:24 PM. 1970 road runner Convertible 1 of 179

Re: 69 383 HP some w holley carb some carter AVS why? [Re: njdevil2] #593778 01/25/10 10:29 PM 01/25/10 10:29 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,798 McGregor,Iowa 52157 5 500ciDuster top fuel
500ciDuster top fuel 5 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,798 McGregor,Iowa 52157	LP=Holley HP=Carter I did part a 72 C-body that was LP but had a carter that was date coded to engine, maybe somebody changed it or a factory glitch. Mitch

Re: 69 383 HP some w holley carb some carter AVS why? [Re: 500ciDuster] #593779 01/25/10 11:08 PM 01/25/10 11:08 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,391 Abilene, Texas F fastmark master
fastmark master F Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,391 Abilene, Texas	I had a 70 Cuda 383 3 speed no air with a Holley 335 hp. My 70 Challenger 383 auto,330 horse, air has a Carter. I am not sure what reasons they had for installing a carb for a particular engine. I have a 69 NYer with a factory Holley and a 440 in a 350 horse motor. Go figure. The 440 hps in 69 and 70 had Carters.

Re: 69 383 HP some w holley carb some carter AVS why? [Re: fastmark] #593780 01/26/10 02:59 AM 01/26/10 02:59 AM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 902 Seattle, WA R rss super stock
rss super stock R Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 902 Seattle, WA	I believe that in 70 most 383 HPs came with Holleys. Don't know about other years.

Re: 69 383 HP some w holley carb some carter AVS why? [Re: rss] #593781 01/26/10 04:43 PM 01/26/10 04:43 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,516 Las Vegas, NV 6bblgt I Live Here
6bblgt I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,516 Las Vegas, NV	The year makes all the difference in the world! 1968 383 4bbl 330hp AVS 1968 383HP 4bbl 335hp AVS 1969 383 4bbl 330hp Holley 1969 383HP 4bbl 335hp AVS 1970 383 4bbl 330hp AVS 1970 383HP 4bbl 335hp Holley NO 383HP (335hp) c-bodies!!

Re: 69 383 HP some w holley carb some carter AVS why? [Re: Triggerfish] #593782 01/26/10 04:47 PM 01/26/10 04:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,516 Las Vegas, NV 6bblgt I Live Here
6bblgt I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,516 Las Vegas, NV	Quote: I bought a 70 383 4 spd cuda off the showroom in 1970 & it had AC and the Holley 735 CFM carb. NONE of the factory MOPAR single 4bbl HOLLEYs were 735cfm. I believe the 4160 series HOLLEYS MOPAR used are 600cfm.

Re: 69 383 HP some w holley carb some carter AVS why? [Re: rss] #593783 01/26/10 06:26 PM 01/26/10 06:26 PM
Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,842 Ohio J john55 master
john55 master J Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,842 Ohio	Quote: I believe that in 70 most 383 HPs came with Holleys. Don't know about other years. I had a '70 roadrunner 383 auto, it also had a Holley, and it was original The Plymouth Win You Over Beat Goes On

Re: 69 383 HP some w holley carb some carter AVS why? [Re: john55] #593784 01/26/10 07:21 PM 01/26/10 07:21 PM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,407 S.E. Florida, USA rrunner master
rrunner master Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,407 S.E. Florida, USA	Quote: Quote: I believe that in 70 most 383 HPs came with Holleys. Don't know about other years. I had a '70 roadrunner 383 auto, it also had a Holley, and it was original That's not a 69 though.

Re: 69 383 HP some w holley carb some carter AVS why? [Re: 6bblgt] #593785 01/27/10 02:07 AM 01/27/10 02:07 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,541 Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy Rhinodart Rhinotruck
Rhinodart Rhinotruck Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,541 Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy	Quote: The year makes all the difference in the world! 1968 383 4bbl 330hp AVS 1968 383HP 4bbl 335hp AVS 1969 383 4bbl 330hp Holley 1969 383HP 4bbl 335hp AVS 1970 383 4bbl 330hp AVS 1970 383HP 4bbl 335hp Holley NO 383HP (335hp) c-bodies!! Except for real Mopars (383 A-Bodies) which all had 330 horsepower HP engines with Carters only in 69. ALL 383 HP A-Bodies had Carters. The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it. JB Rhinehart, Realist A-Body's RULE!

Re: 69 383 HP some w holley carb some carter AVS why? [Re: 6bblgt] #593786 01/27/10 02:30 AM 01/27/10 02:30 AM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 902 Seattle, WA R rss super stock
rss super stock R Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 902 Seattle, WA	Quote: The year makes all the difference in the world! 1968 383 4bbl 330hp AVS 1968 383HP 4bbl 335hp AVS 1969 383 4bbl 330hp Holley 1969 383HP 4bbl 335hp AVS 1970 383 4bbl 330hp AVS 1970 383HP 4bbl 335hp Holley NO 383HP (335hp) c-bodies!! I don't doubt this, but sure seems strange that they would do one thing in 69 and then the exact opposite thing in 70. Ma Mopar always leaves you guessing

Re: 69 383 HP some w holley carb some carter AVS why? [Re: 6bblgt] #593787 08/26/10 11:31 PM 08/26/10 11:31 PM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 87 Missouri P Promopar member
Promopar member P Joined: May 2008 Posts: 87 Missouri	Quote: The year makes all the difference in the world! 1968 383 4bbl 330hp AVS 1968 383HP 4bbl 335hp AVS 1969 383 4bbl 330hp Holley 1969 383HP 4bbl 335hp AVS 1970 383 4bbl 330hp AVS 1970 383HP 4bbl 335hp Holley NO 383HP (335hp) c-bodies!! I was told that the 69' road runner auto a/c 330hp used the Carter 4638. Is this wrong?

Re: 69 383 HP some w holley carb some carter AVS why? [Re: Promopar] #593788 08/28/10 01:25 PM 08/28/10 01:25 PM
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474218 super stock Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,109 Hiram, Georgia	Quote: Quote: The year makes all the difference in the world! 1968 383 4bbl 330hp AVS 1968 383HP 4bbl 335hp AVS 1969 383 4bbl 330hp Holley 1969 383HP 4bbl 335hp AVS 1970 383 4bbl 330hp AVS 1970 383HP 4bbl 335hp Holley NO 383HP (335hp) c-bodies!! I was told that the 69' road runner auto a/c 330hp used the Carter 4638. Is this wrong? Yes the AVS-4638S was used on the 330 hp engines. The 1969 Shop Manual lists the following carburetors and the engine/transmision: I added the horsepower ratings obtained from several different sourcec. AVS-4615S 383/manual/330 AVS-4616S 383/automatic/330 AVS-4638S 383/automatic/330 AVS-4711S 383/manual/335 AVS-4682S 383/automatic/335 AVS-4617S 440/manual/375 AVS-4616S 440/automatic/375 AVS-4640S 440/automatic/375 Holly R4166A 440/automatic/350 It lists no 383/Holly combination.

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