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Re: STOP on a dime? NOT! #58995 05/18/08 08:30 PM 05/18/08 08:30 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,507 Royersford, PA B bschargerse master
bschargerse master B Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,507 Royersford, PA	See if you can borrow one of those "phoenix injectors" that reverse bleeds the system, basically pushes the air back to the MC from the bleeder screw. I have a tech friend who swears by it. Worth a shot. Brian - 1971 Dodge Challenger "The Dodge, which was practically stock, just left the Mustang like you wouldn't believe."

Re: STOP on a dime? NOT! [Re: bschargerse] #58996 05/18/08 08:39 PM 05/18/08 08:39 PM
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Anonymous OP Unregistered A	never heard of those. i'll ask when i go get the vac. bleeder.

Re: STOP on a dime? NOT! #58997 05/18/08 11:13 PM 05/18/08 11:13 PM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,765 Q quick77rt Parts Problem
quick77rt Parts Problem Q Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,765	porportioning valve problem, I never thought they could go bad, dont know whats in them, check valves, or balls but they do go bad and sounds like this could be one of them... remember when you compress the calips your pushing fluid back when its supposed to be going the other way????? Let us know please....

Re: STOP on a dime? NOT! [Re: quick77rt ] #58998 05/18/08 11:28 PM 05/18/08 11:28 PM
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Anonymous OP Unregistered A	replace BOTH p-valves. notta i keep the m/c cap of when i push the pistons back. but i'll tell yah.. so far i'm lookin' like a clown in my customers eyes.

Re: STOP on a dime? NOT! #58999 05/20/08 03:51 PM 05/20/08 03:51 PM
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p d'ro pro stock Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,584 MD	So what happened today????? Gotta know... What else would cause the pedal not to come back up? I have heard of an internal break in the rubber line acting like a one way valve, so the pedal will not come back after it is pushed... I would replace the rubber lines. They are probably old as hell...

Re: STOP on a dime? NOT! [Re: p d'ro] #59000 05/20/08 04:27 PM 05/20/08 04:27 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,558 Montana F FuryUs master
FuryUs master F Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,558 Montana	Quote: So what happened today????? Gotta know... What else would cause the pedal not to come back up? I have heard of an internal break in the rubber line acting like a one way valve, so the pedal will not come back after it is pushed... I would replace the rubber lines. They are probably old as hell... It's a '97 Neon--hell's way older than that. The collpsed line wouldn't allow the pedal to the floor if everything else was good.

Re: STOP on a dime? NOT! [Re: FuryUs] #59001 05/20/08 05:14 PM 05/20/08 05:14 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,759 So Cal HealthServices Why would you even post that?
HealthServices Why would you even post that? Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,759 So Cal	Quote: Quote: So what happened today????? Gotta know... What else would cause the pedal not to come back up? I have heard of an internal break in the rubber line acting like a one way valve, so the pedal will not come back after it is pushed... I would replace the rubber lines. They are probably old as hell... It's a '97 Neon--hell's way older than that. The collpsed line wouldn't allow the pedal to the floor if everything else was good. If one of the rubber lines was balloning then I could see it as a brake line but the lines are not that old. I would inspect them though Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.

Re: STOP on a dime? NOT! #59002 05/20/08 05:42 PM 05/20/08 05:42 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,759 So Cal HealthServices Why would you even post that?
HealthServices Why would you even post that? Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,759 So Cal	Quote: replace BOTH p-valves. notta i keep the m/c cap of when i push the pistons back. but i'll tell yah.. so far i'm lookin' like a clown in my customers eyes. I hate that esp on something as simple as a pad swap. As long as you find out the problem before the customer does and he does not tow it out before then, you are safe. Good luck Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.

Re: STOP on a dime? NOT! [Re: HealthServices] #59003 05/20/08 06:29 PM 05/20/08 06:29 PM
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,568 God's Country Maryland GODSCOUNTRY340 master
GODSCOUNTRY340 master Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,568 God's Country Maryland	I've found this problem on two Neons, a '96 & '98. Remove both rear drums and make sure the shoes are still attached to the steel mount. They're just glued and do come off. Both cars had very low pedal and the owners couldn't figure it out. The shoes actually came loose and were at the bottom of the drum so when adjusting them you could feel drag but since there was no shoe left at the top, when brakes were applied the wheel cylinders would travel all the way out but push on nothing, causing low or no pedal. I love the smell of Deer guts in the morning, it smells like... VICTORY!

Re: STOP on a dime? NOT! (UPDATE) [Re: GODSCOUNTRY340] #59004 05/20/08 09:50 PM 05/20/08 09:50 PM
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Anonymous OP Unregistered A	found the problem. my helper wasn't following my orders on when to pump the brakes and when to hold them. suffice to say.. he's no longer my helper. thanks for all your reply's guys

Re: STOP on a dime? NOT! (UPDATE) #59005 05/20/08 10:41 PM 05/20/08 10:41 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,759 So Cal HealthServices Why would you even post that?
HealthServices Why would you even post that? Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,759 So Cal	Quote: found the problem. my helper wasn't following my orders on when to pump the brakes and when to hold them. suffice to say.. he's no longer my helper. thanks for all your reply's guys Relying on someone other than yourself is one of the hardest things to do. Hopefully you still have a loyal customer. oh and thats why I got a brake bleeder a long time ago. Last edited by HealthServices; 05/20/08 10:43 PM. Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.

Re: STOP on a dime? NOT! (UPDATE) [Re: HealthServices] #59006 05/20/08 10:47 PM 05/20/08 10:47 PM
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Anonymous OP Unregistered A	yah, i did it myself. jar filled with brake fluid and a hose from the bleeder to the jar. i didn't charge her for all the extra stuff, wasn't her fault.. so i ate it. she was very happy

Re: STOP on a dime? NOT! (UPDATE) #59007 05/20/08 10:50 PM 05/20/08 10:50 PM
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CHRONiklyDEMONic Demonized C Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 292 dead center	LOL! "After a Day filled with burning Rubber, you may find it time to re-tire."

Re: STOP on a dime? NOT! (UPDATE) [Re: CHRONiklyDEMONic] #59008 05/21/08 08:20 AM 05/21/08 08:20 AM
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RodStRace I Live Here Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 12,481 Chino Valley	I'm glad it's fixed and the customer is happy. I have to wonder though; When I'm at a wheel yelling "Pump" and Hold", I can feel the pressure changes. Either the instructions were not good, or the guy was really dumb. I've had (stereotype warning) blonde exotic dancers be able to perform the driver's seat part of the bleeding procedure.

Re: STOP on a dime? NOT! (UPDATE) [Re: RodStRace] #59009 05/21/08 08:31 AM 05/21/08 08:31 AM
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Anonymous OP Unregistered A	mabey it was me.. who knows..

Re: STOP on a dime? NOT! (UPDATE) #59010 05/21/08 08:58 AM 05/21/08 08:58 AM
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quick77rt Parts Problem Q Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,765	Man thats crazy, my girl cant boil water, but she helped bleed the brakes in my van, if you scream loud enough most will listen. Glad its fixed, there is always the do it alone method, either a rubber strap on pedal from the backside or the concrete block leaning on the pedal, pop bleader let it go a few seconds re-set block..... Glad its fixed though, I would of went nuts...thats why I can only work on my on crap.

Re: STOP on a dime? NOT! (UPDATE) #59011 05/21/08 12:41 PM 05/21/08 12:41 PM
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GODSCOUNTRY340 master Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,568 God's Country Maryland	I knew that's what it was. I just wanted to see how long it took for you to figure it out. I love the smell of Deer guts in the morning, it smells like... VICTORY!

Re: STOP on a dime? NOT! (UPDATE) [Re: quick77rt ] #59012 05/21/08 02:16 PM 05/21/08 02:16 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,964 Tri-Cities, Washington V VITC_GTX master
VITC_GTX master V Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,964 Tri-Cities, Washington	Quote: Man thats crazy, my girl cant boil water, but she helped bleed the brakes in my van, if you scream loud enough most will listen. Now that's funny...and true!!

Re: STOP on a dime? NOT! (UPDATE) [Re: VITC_GTX] #59013 05/21/08 10:00 PM 05/21/08 10:00 PM
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Anonymous OP Unregistered A	Quote: Quote: Man thats crazy, my girl cant boil water, but she helped bleed the brakes in my van, if you scream loud enough most will listen. Now that's funny...and true!! very funny that kid has been retardo since day one. this was just the last straw.

Re: STOP on a dime? NOT! #59014 05/21/08 10:21 PM 05/21/08 10:21 PM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 6,293 Northeast, Alpine, NY 9 9 Sec Phill On a road near you
9 Sec Phill On a road near you 9 Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 6,293 Northeast, Alpine, NY	delete

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