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Nikasil cylinder plating #587587 01/19/10 01:14 PM 01/19/10 01:14 PM
Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 242 Upland, California Spode OP enthusiast
Spode OP enthusiast Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 242 Upland, California	Nikasil cylinder plating question I have been involved in racing dirt bikes for most of my life. Most MX bikes have the cylinder plated with nikasil. It reduces friction adds lubrircation. It is somewhat expensive but given the money people put into race engines how come it is not used on car engines?

Re: Nikasil cylinder plating [Re: Spode] #587588 01/19/10 01:19 PM 01/19/10 01:19 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,232 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,232 Bend,OR USA	If it is a chrome plating many of the Porsche(SP?) motors came with that as well as other aircraft and other air cooled motors used in industry and racing. if it is not the same then Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Nikasil cylinder plating [Re: Cab_Burge] #587589 01/19/10 04:56 PM 01/19/10 04:56 PM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,162 s e mich ro23car super stock
ro23car super stock Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,162 s e mich	Quote: If it is a chrome plating many of the Porsche(SP?) motors came with that as well as other aircraft and other air cooled motors used in industry and racing. if it is not the same then nikasil is different than hard chrome we had them on our cyls when i raced liquid cooled snowmobiles.

Re: Nikasil cylinder plating [Re: ro23car] #587590 01/19/10 07:30 PM 01/19/10 07:30 PM
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tubtar master Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,082 St. Paul , Mn.	Nikasil is carbide based I think.......I do know that it is harder than a hookers heart and it would take special rings to make work. I do not see why it wouldn't work on eight holes and would be amazed if it hasn't been tried in Pro Stock .......almost certainly in F-1.

Re: Nikasil cylinder plating [Re: Spode] #587591 01/19/10 08:09 PM 01/19/10 08:09 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,314 Charlotte, NC L LSP pro stock
LSP pro stock L Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,314 Charlotte, NC	Quote: Nikasil cylinder plating question I have been involved in racing dirt bikes for most of my life. Most MX bikes have the cylinder plated with nikasil. It reduces friction adds lubrircation. It is somewhat expensive but given the money people put into race engines how come it is not used on car engines? It has been used in race engines to save the block. The theoretical advantages you mention don't seem to show up as horsepower in a gasoline powered V8, so at $3500 for a set of 8 liners I'd be sure it's a block worth saving.

Re: Nikasil cylinder plating [Re: LSP] #587592 01/19/10 08:51 PM 01/19/10 08:51 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,664 IN A ahy master
ahy master A Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,664 IN	I believe Nikasil is typically used on an aluminum bore to give it a harder wear surface. That's why motor cycles and snowmobiles use it. I believe BMW started using it in the 90's on their all aluminum V8's to solve a wear problem. Aftermarket aluminum muscle blocks use an iron liner to get a hard surface... that can also be bored. There would be little need or benefit on an iron bore. I believe BMW started using it in the 90's on their all aluminum V8's to solve a

Re: Nikasil cylinder plating [Re: ahy] #587593 01/19/10 09:04 PM 01/19/10 09:04 PM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 951 Temperance, MI P prochargedhemi super stock
prochargedhemi super stock P Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 951 Temperance, MI	can't say who,where or what but nikasil IS being used in full race efforts. its a mother to get the rings to seal up in

Re: Nikasil cylinder plating [Re: Spode] #587594 01/19/10 11:23 PM 01/19/10 11:23 PM
Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 546 Stuart FL M mercman1 mopar
mercman1 mopar M Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 546 Stuart FL	Mercury Marine has used the Nikasil plating on some of the Hi-perf outboards since about 1988-89. The bore does not wear. The piston skirt does start to colapse. Our rule of thumb at the Lake X test facility was to replace pistons after 75-100 hrs of use. No honing...just slap it together n go! These engines tipically spent ALL their time at about 8200 rpm. Great stuff! Also used by Porsche and Formula 1 teams.

Re: Nikasil cylinder plating [Re: mercman1] #587595 01/20/10 01:10 AM 01/20/10 01:10 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 506 T tampabucs1 super gas
tampabucs1 super gas T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 506	interesting read... http://www.lnengineering.com/whynickies.html

Re: Nikasil cylinder plating [Re: tampabucs1] #587596 01/20/10 04:47 AM 01/20/10 04:47 AM
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mafo super stock Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,019 Finland	more... http://www.lsmeng.com/Liners.html -65 Valiant,420", all motor,2700#, dot tires, 8,42 @ 160,2

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