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Re: Who else doesnt like Bracket / Index racing ?
[Re: BradH]
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01/18/10 03:26 PM
01/18/10 03:26 PM
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11secdart
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Bracket Racing is what I do, As far as anybody else do whatever you want and can afford.I really like Stock, Super/ Stock, and Super Street I just can`t afford it. Bracket racing makes it possible for a lot of us lowbuckers to compete. I race an 11 second Dart and a 15 second pickup truck and I sometimes think I do better in the truck so its not always about being fast. I tried an Index Class race at my local track last year and liked it so I may try it again.
Last edited by 11secdart; 01/18/10 03:28 PM.
68 Dart 410 / 904
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Re: Who else doesnt like Bracket / Index racing ?
[Re: B G Racing]
#585284
01/19/10 02:48 AM
01/19/10 02:48 AM
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Minnesota
Hemi_Joel
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A race is by definition a speed contest. If you can loose by going too fast, it is not really a race. I have nothing against bracket racing, but I certainly understand the original poster not being too excited about the idea of switching to format where you can loose your "race" by going "too fast". What you really ought to consider is switching to the unique race format that is used in F.A.S.T. racing. In F.A.S.T., there is no handicap, no index, no breakout rule, no dial in, no weight breaks, just good old heads up racing. Yet everyone gets a good close race and at least 2 rounds of competition.  Here's how it works. Everybody makes qualifying passes. Qualfiers 1 through 8 (know as the quick 8) go into a pro ladder to determine the event winner. 1 vs. 8, 2 vs. 7, etc. Quick 8 first round loosers go into a consolation ladder to determine the consolation winner. Qualifyers 9 and slower run a best of 3 shoout against their closest qualifying competitor. 9 vs. 10, 11 vs. 12, etc. So the slower cars still get a close heads up race that is just as exciting and competitive as the quick 8. With this format, the ultra competetive, go for the jugular, always want to be the fastest guys can put in the effort and the bucks to shoot for the quick 8, and try to be the event winner. Everybody else still gets a good heads up race! It might work very well for your events. 
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Re: Who else doesnt like Bracket / Index racing ?
[Re: MoparPitBull]
#585288
01/19/10 09:40 AM
01/19/10 09:40 AM
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Backwater, PA
bwdst6
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Let me see if I can summarize this thread. Heads Up Racing = Expensive Bracket Racing = Boring Index Racing = Really Boring Practical Alternative = None Revisiting an old discussion ad infinitum = Priceless
This post is available in double vision where drunk.
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Re: Who else doesn't like Bracket / Index racing ?
[Re: MoparPitBull]
#585289
01/19/10 09:50 AM
01/19/10 09:50 AM
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Michigan
Hemiroid
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I like any kind of muscle car and enjoy a lot of different kinds of racing. I bracket race my street driven GTX and enjoy contributing to the purse money the winners get  I'm also attempting to put together a heads-up all motor car for Milan's All Motor class. I won't argue that it's expensive, but have to laugh at the people who say it's all about the money. Go walk around the pits and see how much money is in some S/G, S/C, SS/T cars then come back and talk to me about money  You can have all of the money in the world, but if you don't have your combo on kill, making the most hp possible with the parts you have and can't drive a 1000+ hp car on the ragged edge on a 10.5 tire you're going home first round. And if you think the people driving these cars can't drive you're an idiot. Milan's Friday night heads-up program fills the stands with spectators from all over the place. Lots of people from out of state travel to Michigan to watch and participate in this race, so I kinda chuckled at the suggestion that it isn't popular. All racing is cool, just be glad we're able to have the opportunity to watch and race all of these awesome cars and quit getting hung up on which is better. 
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Re: Who else doesn't like Bracket / Index racing ?
[Re: Hemiroid]
#585291
01/19/10 10:39 AM
01/19/10 10:39 AM
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I am into Nostalgia type drags (pre 65) and most of the events that i attend all over are heads up.There are a few that are pushing for a dial in type platform to make it more even .The problem is i and others dont like it.
I race just for fun and dont really care if i win or not
When you say "pre 65" nostalgia drags would I guess your talking about the HAMB style drags. Those guys only race a few times a year and are more about living in the past, and that includes the claim of cheap fun. The cheapest fun in drag racing ever invented is bracketing racing. But then again "that ain't how we did it in the old days". 
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Re: Who else doesnt like Bracket / Index racing ?
[Re: bwdst6]
#585292
01/19/10 10:42 AM
01/19/10 10:42 AM
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Brookeville, Md
Mr.Yuck
Not enough dumb comments...yet
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Not enough dumb comments...yet
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Brookeville, Md
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Let me see if I can summarize this thread.
Heads Up Racing = Expensive
Bracket Racing = Boring
Index Racing = Really Boring
Practical Alternative = None
Revisiting an old discussion ad infinitum = Priceless
Bracket racing isn't boring if your track does it right. They can match "similar" dials and it's almost heads up. Plus they do have fast and slow brackets. Not every track runs 16-10 second cars in the same bracket class. As a matter of fact most have several classes. For your heads up racing they have plenty of events during the year.
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Re: Who else doesnt like Bracket / Index racing ?
[Re: QuickDart 502]
#585293
01/19/10 10:49 AM
01/19/10 10:49 AM
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Great Neck,LI,new york
hemi-itis
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Bracket racing is BOOOOOOORRRRRRING to watch. I don't care how hard it is, to the spectator, it's BOOOOOOORRRRRRING. To call it a form of racing is ridiculous. In every other form of motorsports, whoever gets to the finish line first, wins. In every other form of motorsports, you don't lose for going too fast. It really should be called Consistency Contest. It's about consistency, not racing. 
All this coming from a person who wasnt good at either heads up or bracket racing. You did the right thing and sold the car.
This just enforces why I call him DB DAVE  E/mail me for the translation  .Bracket racers make up the majority of racers at EVERY track .Some of you are not interested in going any faster or just improving the tune while others are always thinking of ways to go faster.I like seeing people that I do not get to see often,hanging out tween rounds and enjoying the SKIRT steaks.DB DAVE is just another keyboard jockey here to stir  He is not a racer,never was,never will be.DB DAVE,put the pipe down and walk away from the computer.  
HEMI-ITIS has no cure.
My condition is fully BLOWN!!
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Re: Who else doesnt like Bracket / Index racing ?
#585295
01/19/10 11:55 AM
01/19/10 11:55 AM
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Brookeville, Md
Mr.Yuck
Not enough dumb comments...yet
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Not enough dumb comments...yet
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Brookeville, Md
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Bracket racing is BOOOOOOORRRRRRING to watch. I don't care how hard it is, to the spectator, it's BOOOOOOORRRRRRING. To call it a form of racing is ridiculous. In every other form of motorsports, whoever gets to the finish line first, wins. In every other form of motorsports, you don't lose for going too fast. It really should be called Consistency Contest. It's about consistency, not racing.
well try racing instead of watching... you might have some fun.
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Re: Who else doesnt like Bracket / Index racing ?
[Re: bwdst6]
#585297
01/19/10 12:09 PM
01/19/10 12:09 PM
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Brookeville, Md
Mr.Yuck
Not enough dumb comments...yet
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Not enough dumb comments...yet
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Bracket racing isn't boring if your track does it right. They can match "similar" dials and it's almost heads up. Plus they do have fast and slow brackets. Not every track runs 16-10 second cars in the same bracket class. As a matter of fact most have several classes. For your heads up racing they have plenty of events during the year.
I'm thinking of a half dozen tracks off the top of my head (some in MD) that run a pro, super pro, street class set up. I haven't seen tracks run "similar" dials classes in nigh on to 20 years! dagnambit!
75/80 has those classes and a 14 slower class. I believe it's Super Pro (old class 1) Pro (old class 2) Street, and 2 trophy classes one is for 14 and slower.
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Re: Who else doesnt like Bracket / Index racing ?
[Re: bwdst6]
#585299
01/19/10 12:54 PM
01/19/10 12:54 PM
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SW Ohio
cgall
top fuel
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top fuel
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SW Ohio
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Look at the top drivers in Sportsman classes, Fletcher, Biondo, Rampy, Richardson, etc. They came from bracket racing and many of them still do.
If you want to succeed in drag racing at any level, you need to learn to hit the tree and drive the stripe. Except, of course, Top Fuel and Funny Car.
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