Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video*
[Re: Defbob]
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01/19/10 01:59 AM
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8lbs. I'm figuring it should be safe on 93 without an intercooler. I have 16lb wastegates if I want to try race gas. I plan to be able to run high 11's. Hopefully I won't need the 16lbs to achieve it with the car weighing 3000lbs
IMO you're treading on thin ice here with no I.C, iron heads, no meth injection, a blow through carb and no timing retard. 93 octane is extemely risky with all those factors.
I'd stick the timing at 10-15 and tune up from there. Keep in mind 'rich' isn't good enough, you'll want 11.5:1 OR LESS if you want to run pump gas. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Twocents.gif)
Edit: just a quick engineering calc for you. Assuming: 80 degree turbo inlet temps 8 psi boost No intercooler No meth/water injection 76% compressor efficiency (probably isn't if ebay turbos) Constant specific heats for faster calc
You're looking at 174 degree intake temps, and that's not including heat transfer from various sources (usually good amount from turbo itself).
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Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video*
[Re: Defbob]
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01/19/10 08:13 AM
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But I have a 383, with open chamber big valve heads, stock pistons with 7.55:1 comp, stock sized hydraulic cam, modified Holley 600DP, and 2.56gear. I might be dreaming with the 11second hopes
and it's in an olds....
not a chance it goes 11's...sorry. I'll guess 13's. my S/C'd mild 440 went 12.0's on 6psi boost.
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Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video*
[Re: CokeBottleKid]
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01/19/10 09:16 AM
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8lbs. I'm figuring it should be safe on 93 without an intercooler. I have 16lb wastegates if I want to try race gas. I plan to be able to run high 11's. Hopefully I won't need the 16lbs to achieve it with the car weighing 3000lbs
IMO you're treading on thin ice here with no I.C, iron heads, no meth injection, a blow through carb and no timing retard. 93 octane is extemely risky with all those factors.
I'd stick the timing at 10-15 and tune up from there. Keep in mind 'rich' isn't good enough, you'll want 11.5:1 OR LESS if you want to run pump gas. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Twocents.gif)
Edit: just a quick engineering calc for you. Assuming: 80 degree turbo inlet temps 8 psi boost No intercooler No meth/water injection 76% compressor efficiency (probably isn't if ebay turbos) Constant specific heats for faster calc
You're looking at 174 degree intake temps, and that's not including heat transfer from various sources (usually good amount from turbo itself).
does a turbo produce that much more intake temp than a roots blower? I guess I should look into water injection
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Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video*
[Re: Defbob]
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01/19/10 10:29 AM
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Tim,
I may have a nice air to air intercooler for ya... Allan G.
1970 Challenger w/572 Hemi street car and my pride and joy.
1986 T-Type with 272 Stage 2 Buick V6 engine - True 8 second street car. Just updated the engine and put down 928 HP @ 35# boost to the ground on chasis dyno.
1976 Cee Bee Avenger Jet Boat - 460 Ford powered.
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Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video*
[Re: Defbob]
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01/19/10 05:38 PM
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8lbs. I'm figuring it should be safe on 93 without an intercooler. I have 16lb wastegates if I want to try race gas. I plan to be able to run high 11's. Hopefully I won't need the 16lbs to achieve it with the car weighing 3000lbs
IMO you're treading on thin ice here with no I.C, iron heads, no meth injection, a blow through carb and no timing retard. 93 octane is extemely risky with all those factors.
I'd stick the timing at 10-15 and tune up from there. Keep in mind 'rich' isn't good enough, you'll want 11.5:1 OR LESS if you want to run pump gas. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Twocents.gif)
Edit: just a quick engineering calc for you. Assuming: 80 degree turbo inlet temps 8 psi boost No intercooler No meth/water injection 76% compressor efficiency (probably isn't if ebay turbos) Constant specific heats for faster calc
You're looking at 174 degree intake temps, and that's not including heat transfer from various sources (usually good amount from turbo itself).
does a turbo produce that much more intake temp than a roots blower? I guess I should look into water injection
No, typically less. But 8 psi on a roots with a combo like you're talking is still risky on pump gas. If you do see one it will be with WAY less timing then you're running...
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Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video*
[Re: Defbob]
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01/19/10 09:11 PM
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The inlet temps below the carb wil be quite a bit lower...make sure the fuel pressur is rising with boost and give it he'll...8lbs should be fine with 25-28 timing with 7.5 compression on 93 octane... Good luck
65 Barracuda All aluminum Indy HEMI with some boost! COMING TO A TRACK NEAR YOU!
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Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video*
[Re: Defbob]
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01/20/10 08:22 AM
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I am switching down to 25deg. That worked well with the blower motor. and is more than 1deg per lb boost
I used an MSD boost delay. I dropped mine 1 degree per lb of boost. It hooks up easy and you can drop from 1/4* to 3* per lab of boost. that way you don't have to lock down your timing at 30* or less.
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