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Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* [Re: Defbob] #582693
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Should do good!

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* [Re: Shaker223] #582694
01/18/10 10:50 PM
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Shaker223, how well did the cast pistons like the 21lbs? also did you run an intercooler? I don't have one

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* [Re: Defbob] #582695
01/19/10 01:59 AM
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8lbs. I'm figuring it should be safe on 93 without an intercooler. I have 16lb wastegates if I want to try race gas. I plan to be able to run high 11's. Hopefully I won't need the 16lbs to achieve it with the car weighing 3000lbs




IMO you're treading on thin ice here with no I.C, iron heads, no meth injection, a blow through carb and no timing retard. 93 octane is extemely risky with all those factors.

I'd stick the timing at 10-15 and tune up from there. Keep in mind 'rich' isn't good enough, you'll want 11.5:1 OR LESS if you want to run pump gas.

Edit: just a quick engineering calc for you.
Assuming:
80 degree turbo inlet temps
8 psi boost
No intercooler
No meth/water injection
76% compressor efficiency (probably isn't if ebay turbos)
Constant specific heats for faster calc

You're looking at 174 degree intake temps, and that's not including heat transfer from various sources (usually good amount from turbo itself).

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* [Re: CokeBottleKid] #582696
01/19/10 02:09 AM
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That thing is freaking sweet....everytime a turbo build comes up i start wanting to do one...dont got the money or knowledge yet.....cant wait for more vids

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* [Re: Defbob] #582697
01/19/10 08:13 AM
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But I have a 383, with open chamber big valve heads, stock pistons with 7.55:1 comp, stock sized hydraulic cam, modified Holley 600DP, and 2.56gear. I might be dreaming with the 11second hopes




and it's in an olds....

not a chance it goes 11's...sorry. I'll guess 13's. my S/C'd mild 440 went 12.0's on 6psi boost.


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Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* [Re: Defbob] #582698
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Yes, I'm using an intercooler as well as methanol. The pistons held up well until 30psi. I still have not disassembled the engine to determine what failed (it still ran but poorly). I was a touch lean but then again 30 PSI may have been to much for the stockers. I"ve ran over 20 PSI for the past 3 summers and 30 psi the last time at the track.

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* [Re: CokeBottleKid] #582699
01/19/10 09:16 AM
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8lbs. I'm figuring it should be safe on 93 without an intercooler. I have 16lb wastegates if I want to try race gas. I plan to be able to run high 11's. Hopefully I won't need the 16lbs to achieve it with the car weighing 3000lbs




IMO you're treading on thin ice here with no I.C, iron heads, no meth injection, a blow through carb and no timing retard. 93 octane is extemely risky with all those factors.

I'd stick the timing at 10-15 and tune up from there. Keep in mind 'rich' isn't good enough, you'll want 11.5:1 OR LESS if you want to run pump gas.

Edit: just a quick engineering calc for you.
Assuming:
80 degree turbo inlet temps
8 psi boost
No intercooler
No meth/water injection
76% compressor efficiency (probably isn't if ebay turbos)
Constant specific heats for faster calc

You're looking at 174 degree intake temps, and that's not including heat transfer from various sources (usually good amount from turbo itself).




does a turbo produce that much more intake temp than a roots blower? I guess I should look into water injection

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* [Re: Defbob] #582700
01/19/10 09:23 AM
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If you want to cool the boost get a Snow Performance Meth injector. It uses washer fluid. I think they start around $300.

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* [Re: Defbob] #582701
01/19/10 10:29 AM
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Tim,

I may have a nice air to air intercooler for ya...
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1970 Challenger w/572 Hemi street car and my pride and joy. 1986 T-Type with 272 Stage 2 Buick V6 engine - True 8 second street car. Just updated the engine and put down 928 HP @ 35# boost to the ground on chasis dyno. 1976 Cee Bee Avenger Jet Boat - 460 Ford powered.
Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* [Re: turbobitt] #582702
01/19/10 12:22 PM
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I used a universal Devils Own kit. It was $200 at the time. Last I looked they were 225.

Works great.

http://www.alcohol-injection.com/

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* [Re: Defbob] #582703
01/19/10 05:38 PM
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8lbs. I'm figuring it should be safe on 93 without an intercooler. I have 16lb wastegates if I want to try race gas. I plan to be able to run high 11's. Hopefully I won't need the 16lbs to achieve it with the car weighing 3000lbs




IMO you're treading on thin ice here with no I.C, iron heads, no meth injection, a blow through carb and no timing retard. 93 octane is extemely risky with all those factors.

I'd stick the timing at 10-15 and tune up from there. Keep in mind 'rich' isn't good enough, you'll want 11.5:1 OR LESS if you want to run pump gas.

Edit: just a quick engineering calc for you.
Assuming:
80 degree turbo inlet temps
8 psi boost
No intercooler
No meth/water injection
76% compressor efficiency (probably isn't if ebay turbos)
Constant specific heats for faster calc

You're looking at 174 degree intake temps, and that's not including heat transfer from various sources (usually good amount from turbo itself).




does a turbo produce that much more intake temp than a roots blower? I guess I should look into water injection




No, typically less. But 8 psi on a roots with a combo like you're talking is still risky on pump gas. If you do see one it will be with WAY less timing then you're running...

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* [Re: CokeBottleKid] #582704
01/19/10 06:22 PM
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I am switching down to 25deg. That worked well with the blower motor. and is more than 1deg per lb boost

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* [Re: Defbob] #582705
01/19/10 09:11 PM
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The inlet temps below the carb wil be quite a bit lower...make sure the fuel pressur is rising with boost and give it he'll...8lbs should be fine with 25-28 timing with 7.5 compression on 93 octane... Good luck


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Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* [Re: instigator] #582706
01/19/10 11:20 PM
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I have a port to hook up a fuel pressure gauge. I still have to get one. The fuel pump seems to work under boost, I still want to verify

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* [Re: Defbob] #582707
01/20/10 08:22 AM
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I am switching down to 25deg. That worked well with the blower motor. and is more than 1deg per lb boost



I used an MSD boost delay. I dropped mine 1 degree per lb of boost. It hooks up easy and you can drop from 1/4* to 3* per lab of boost. that way you don't have to lock down your timing at 30* or less.


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Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* [Re: Mr.Yuck] #582708
02/14/10 07:06 PM
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redesigned the oil drainbacks, mounted the gauges inside this time , and cleaned up some of the wiring. I also installed a fuel pressure gauge and the pump works with the boost

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSw3EnYRaAI

and a new burnout revving it up faster and higher, oh ya you can hear the blowoff as I shift into second gear

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL9gifihqpU

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* [Re: Defbob] #582709
03/07/10 04:00 PM
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I installed my bumpers and got all of my lights working. I also adjusted the shifter. The clear plastic hoses I was using to make sure the turbo drain backs were working, melted they lasted a little longer than I expected. I am going to install some rubber hoses after I eat some late lunch. I also installed a seat belt for myself. I just need to buy myself a tach and driveshaft loop and I am ready for Lebanon Valley

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* [Re: Defbob] #582710
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I just took my car out for a drive and punched it in second gear. WOW! That thing goes. The boost kicked on instantly and kicked the back end out despite being a single legger. It felt like I had a roots blower on it. The boost gauge only read 5psi so I think the turbos can't put out the 8psi lol. Oh well. It pulls like the convertible, hopefully it runs like it too

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* [Re: Defbob] #582711
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at least you are having some fun. 5lbs is a good kick in the pants.maybe check the pipes to the carb to be sure thay have no leaks.

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* [Re: Defbob] #582712
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I modified one of my tach-drive distributors and installed the 5" mechanical tach that Tom lent me from his old race car.

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