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Twin Turbo Big Block *New Videos*

Posted By: Defbob

Twin Turbo Big Block *New Videos* - 01/15/10 12:25 AM

Fixed the fuel and coolant leaks, but still have to redo the oil drains backs. only achieved 6lbs against the torque converter in neutral.

Twin Turbo Unleashed lol

Building boost

First Burnout
Posted By: blownzoom440

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/15/10 12:30 AM

in neutral i did not think it would make boost without a load.
Posted By: 105630

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/15/10 12:30 AM

I LIKEEEEE! yes sir thats pretty nice,good job!
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/15/10 12:36 AM

Quote:

in neutral i did not think it would make boost without a load.




It will make some boost..... try loading it against
the converter
Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/15/10 12:38 AM

Quote:

in neutral i did not think it would make boost without a load.




I didn't think it would either, but the boost gauge went to 6lbs. it is a tight torque converter (stock). it sounds amazing when you rev it up fast then shut the throttle!

Quote:

I LIKEEEEE! yes sir thats pretty nice,good job!




thank you
Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/15/10 12:38 AM

I still have yet to hook up the ratchet shifter
Posted By: RalphsRapidTrnst

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/15/10 01:32 AM

congrats
Posted By: topbrent

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/15/10 01:46 AM

What are you using for exhaust manifolds?

Cast Logs or custom headers?

What size turbos are those?

That is awesome sounding!

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Posted By: go green

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/15/10 02:00 AM

Are you sure your gates are working ?

My car is a little pussycat at idle and flaring the throttle.
Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/15/10 02:25 AM

I made the manifolds myself from a set of big block a-body fender well headers, not much left . The Turbos are T3/t4.

GoGreen, I think the extraordinarily short distance from the head to the end of the downpipe is what makes it loud, plus it is idling around 1200. give or take. you have long tube headers leading to your turbos, then the downpipes reach all the way back to the firewall. my turbos are 6" from the exhaust port and the downpipes are only 18" long. I haven't gotten enough boost to see if the wastegates work. I have 8lb springs and I've only achieved 6lbs so far. the blow off valve certainly works

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Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/15/10 02:29 AM

another angle of manifold

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Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/15/10 05:02 AM

Quote:

I made the manifolds myself from a set of big block a-body fender well headers, not much left . The Turbos are T3/t4.

GoGreen, I think the extraordinarily short distance from the head to the end of the downpipe is what makes it loud, plus it is idling around 1200. give or take. you have long tube headers leading to your turbos, then the downpipes reach all the way back to the firewall. my turbos are 6" from the exhaust port and the downpipes are only 18" long. I haven't gotten enough boost to see if the wastegates work. I have 8lb springs and I've only achieved 6lbs so far. the blow off valve certainly works




Looks good... what do you plan on HP wise... dont you
feel that the T3/T4 are small for your CI... I have
a pair of them also that I was/am going to put on
a SB with 395 ci... I'm just asking because I dont
know.... hurry up and get it on the road, I'm curious
to hear about your out come
Posted By: topfueldart

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/15/10 07:59 AM

I agree with the above.. if your making boost while revving in neutral, the turbines are too small... but its together, give her hell!!

Posted By: 1Fast340

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/15/10 08:11 AM

cool stuff! congrats!
Posted By: 493_DART

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/15/10 08:45 AM

whats the deal on that dipstick?

i need one of those to get away from my # 3 plug !
Posted By: CokeBottleKid

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/15/10 10:04 AM

I thought you were building a hemi . Why an olds?

I know it sounds weird, but a turbo low deck BB mopar cutlass has been done .
Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/15/10 12:26 PM

The dipstick came with the Mopar Performance replacement truck oil pan. I think it was the last one in the country when I ordered it.

The Turbos are too small. i should have gotten T4's, but i figured these would make boost off of idle and almost act like a supercharger

I am building a Hemi. Current one I am building is going into the Challenger. Then once that car is done I will start putting together one for the Cutlass.

This is to hold me over till then. The motor/drivetrain only has about $900 into it. I had it and wanted to use it in something.
Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/15/10 12:31 PM

btw, it makes 2lbs idling at 1000rpm
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/15/10 02:14 PM

Quote:

btw, it makes 2lbs idling at 1000rpm




Thats what I wanted to stay away from... I dont want
boost at idle or light criuse and I believe I'll be
in the same boat as you(with boost down low)
thanks for the info
Posted By: megajoltman

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/15/10 03:20 PM

Comments:

defbobmoparts (12 hours ago)
Reply no GM motor will ever go back into my Cutlass

jbh11600 (13 hours ago) Reply GAY! Couldnt you find a Mopar for that motor? (does sound nice though)

Posted By: blownzoom440

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/15/10 08:55 PM

low RPM and boost dont get along well.
at least you built a completed system.
Posted By: CokeBottleKid

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/15/10 09:04 PM

Quote:

The Turbos are too small. i should have gotten T4's, but i figured these would make boost off of idle and almost act like a supercharger




Ya, sounds good up until you hit 3k at WOT and stop making power/start detonating like crazy .
Posted By: 67_Satellite

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/15/10 09:28 PM

No comment on turbine size,but are those oil feed lines supported?Vibration induced cracking and leakage would ruin your day quickly. I ran mine with braided -6 line to be safe.
Posted By: blownzoom440

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/15/10 09:58 PM

not that you would want to bandaid or rig it all up but i wonder if you could us a bleedoff valve to get rid of some of the exhaust before the turbo's.
Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/15/10 10:37 PM

Quote:

btw, it makes 2lbs idling at 1000rpm




how? I had a paxton on a very mild 440 w/ not much stall and in N I'd get no boost no matter the rpms? My understanding is unless the engine has a load, and in N it shouldn't you should have no boost???? even at highway speeds my boost was minimal. Does a turbo(s) work different?
Posted By: turbobitt

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/15/10 11:58 PM

Tim,

Two things come to mind, First is that the turbine and/or the housing A/R is much to small. Second - the Backpressure will most likley climb very fast and create valve float and other issues before you get in any usable RPM band.
If possible, I would try and plumb a gage port in at least one of the manifolds and monitor backpressure. In a perfect system, It should be near a 1:! ratio around your usable power band. It looks like in your case the Backpressure is going to be way to high and climb while your boost drops.
Another thing that may happen is turbo overspeed. You may bust the compressor wheel if you spin it up to fast with that backpressure.
Allan G.
Posted By: go green

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/16/10 12:48 AM

Quote:

btw, it makes 2lbs idling at 1000rpm




Your blow off valve should be manifold referanced and your wastegate bottom port should manifold referanced .

You should have vacuum at idle .

There is something out of whack.

You should see the blow off valve open at idle and slam shut when you chop the throttle if you have all that boost.

The exhaust manifold length has nothing to do with it.
Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/16/10 01:02 AM

I looked at the gauge. I must retract the 2lbs at idle statement it is not making boost at idle
Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/16/10 01:05 AM

the wastegates and blowoff are plumbed correctly. I just hope this holds together for a couple good passes at Lebannon Valley for Muscle Palooza. Al, the manifolds did glow when breaking in the cam
Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/16/10 01:28 AM

I was wrong. I double checked a diagram. I have the blowoff reference on the wrong side of the carb. Thanks guys for the info and getting me to double check things
Posted By: turbobitt

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/16/10 01:33 AM

Tim,

What ae the specs on the turbos ?
Allan G.
Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/16/10 02:12 AM

do you have your fuel boost referenced?
Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/16/10 03:36 AM

the mechanical fuel pump is boost referenced and surprisingly works
Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/16/10 03:38 AM

Quote:

Tim,

What ae the specs on the turbos ?
Allan G.




T3/T4 Turbos

T3 Flange to Manifold
- 5 Bolt Hot Side Downpipe Flange
- .50 A/R Compressor
- .63 A/R Turbine
- 3" Inlet & 2" Outlet
- 1/8 NPT Oil Inlet
- 350 WHP capable
- 5~30 PSI Working Pressure
- Computer Balanced Individually
Posted By: tilt

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/16/10 03:55 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Tim,

What ae the specs on the turbos ?
Allan G.




T3/T4 Turbos

T3 Flange to Manifold
- 5 Bolt Hot Side Downpipe Flange
- .50 A/R Compressor
- .63 A/R Turbine
- 3" Inlet & 2" Outlet
- 1/8 NPT Oil Inlet
- 350 WHP capable
- 5~30 PSI Working Pressure
- Computer Balanced Individually




What is the size of the turbine wheel or spec."P" trim? or "Q"? Millimeters if known?
.63 are prolly gonna give a ton of back pressure.
How much seat pressure are you running on the valves? 150 or more?
Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/16/10 01:38 PM

i don't know the trim. The springs are the ones that come on Edelbrock RPM heads
Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/16/10 01:45 PM

Quote:

the mechanical fuel pump is boost referenced and surprisingly works




that's what I did too. When I was told how to do it I was like...what no way that's going to work.
Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/16/10 02:29 PM

i have a turbo book from 1980
Posted By: Bakaruda432

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/16/10 03:43 PM

I would love to see that thing on a chassis dyno.

My computor couldn't see the vid but those pics are hot!
Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/16/10 04:54 PM

I just hooked up the throttle and return springs. I also mounted the pods for the gauges to be inside. I will mount the shifter today and torque the car up against the converter and see how it handles it. then I will do some burnouts and video it
Posted By: CokeBottleKid

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/17/10 07:05 AM

What are you using for timing retard? Are you even going to check your A/Fs before you hammer on it? This isn't an N/A motor...
Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/17/10 02:50 PM

I have a locked distributor
Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/17/10 09:57 PM

I finally got a seat mounted, installed the ratchet shifter, and hooked up the throttle.

building boost

First Burnout
Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/17/10 10:57 PM

Quote:

I finally got a seat mounted, installed the ratchet shifter, and hooked up the throttle.

building boost

First Burnout




dude that thing should have started burning the hides wayyy sooner.
Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/17/10 11:00 PM

it was half throttle. I was nervous
Posted By: CokeBottleKid

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/17/10 11:11 PM

Quote:

I have a locked distributor




That's it? No retard box?

Whats it locked at?
Posted By: blownzoom440

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/17/10 11:25 PM

when you get the chance video the tach and boost gauge under load in some form.
Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/17/10 11:33 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I have a locked distributor




That's it? No retard box?

Whats it locked at?




30deg right now. I might back it down to 25.

Metal storm, I still have to buy a tach . I was going to put my tach drive setup in the car, but didn't want to weld on that distr.
Posted By: blownzoom440

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/17/10 11:41 PM

i have a sun tach if you just use the HEI.just pay shipping[about 3$ i bet]
sorry i got confused. it will work with the stock mopar unit also or orange.silver box.
Posted By: CokeBottleKid

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/18/10 03:52 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

I have a locked distributor




That's it? No retard box?

Whats it locked at?




30deg right now. I might back it down to 25.

Metal storm, I still have to buy a tach . I was going to put my tach drive setup in the car, but didn't want to weld on that distr.




30 and no retard and no idea where the A/Fs are? It's going to be a short ride...
Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/18/10 12:58 PM

oh, its rich lol

Before I go racing I might back the timing down to 25.
Posted By: CokeBottleKid

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/18/10 10:34 PM

How much boost you intending to run? I'd START at 25... maybe go lower.
Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/18/10 11:59 PM

8lbs. I'm figuring it should be safe on 93 without an intercooler. I have 16lb wastegates if I want to try race gas. I plan to be able to run high 11's. Hopefully I won't need the 16lbs to achieve it with the car weighing 3000lbs
Posted By: blownzoom440

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/19/10 12:13 AM

Quote:

8lbs. I'm figuring it should be safe on 93 without an intercooler. I have 16lb wastegates if I want to try race gas. I plan to be able to run high 11's. Hopefully I won't need the 16lbs to achieve it with the car weighing 3000lbs


i went 10'4's with 8lbs,no cooler and 3900 lb car.
Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/19/10 12:20 AM

But I have a 383, with open chamber big valve heads, stock pistons with 7.55:1 comp, stock sized hydraulic cam, modified Holley 600DP, and 2.56gear. I might be dreaming with the 11second hopes
Posted By: blownzoom440

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/19/10 12:35 AM

Quote:

But I have a 383, with open chamber big valve heads, stock pistons with 7.55:1 comp, stock sized hydraulic cam, modified Holley 600DP, and 2.56gear. I might be dreaming with the 11second hopes



well i had 446ci,open chamber[95cc] 346 heads w/2.14,1.81 valves,8.5cr,.559 solid cam,4.10 gear and you dont have the blower to drive.
what do you think?can you change your cam or convertor?
Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/19/10 01:00 AM

I have a 528mech cam on standby. The heads are mid-70's 88cc, with the same size valves. I also have an 8-3/4 with 3.55posi as well, but I want to try to do it with the 2.56open first

The first blower motor Tom built was

440+.030
stock rods
Speed Pro 8.5:1 forged pistons
Same heads I have now
pair Holley 750DP
orange ignition box (wouldn't fire above 5K )
2200stall converter
Same trans I have
3.23posi

in the convertible ran 12.33 @ 112 (4300lbs race weight) on BFG Radial T/A's
Posted By: blownzoom440

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/19/10 01:18 AM

your combo should be intereating.
Posted By: hemi-itis

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/19/10 01:21 AM

Hope your not takin' that to MOPAR day at the track Break out the blown HEMI instead so we can have some fun
Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/19/10 02:34 AM

I don't have a blower. Tom has a blown 503ci Wedge. I don't think he'd let me borrow that Maybe I should pull the 511ci motor from the convert. that is a proven 11sec motor

If my Hemi was finished, it would be in the Cutlass right now with zoomies sticking out the hood.
Posted By: Shaker223

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/19/10 02:39 AM

Should do good!
Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/19/10 02:50 AM

Shaker223, how well did the cast pistons like the 21lbs? also did you run an intercooler? I don't have one
Posted By: CokeBottleKid

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/19/10 05:59 AM

Quote:

8lbs. I'm figuring it should be safe on 93 without an intercooler. I have 16lb wastegates if I want to try race gas. I plan to be able to run high 11's. Hopefully I won't need the 16lbs to achieve it with the car weighing 3000lbs




IMO you're treading on thin ice here with no I.C, iron heads, no meth injection, a blow through carb and no timing retard. 93 octane is extemely risky with all those factors.

I'd stick the timing at 10-15 and tune up from there. Keep in mind 'rich' isn't good enough, you'll want 11.5:1 OR LESS if you want to run pump gas.

Edit: just a quick engineering calc for you.
Assuming:
80 degree turbo inlet temps
8 psi boost
No intercooler
No meth/water injection
76% compressor efficiency (probably isn't if ebay turbos)
Constant specific heats for faster calc

You're looking at 174 degree intake temps, and that's not including heat transfer from various sources (usually good amount from turbo itself).
Posted By: 69B3GT

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/19/10 06:09 AM

That thing is freaking sweet....everytime a turbo build comes up i start wanting to do one...dont got the money or knowledge yet.....cant wait for more vids
Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/19/10 12:13 PM

Quote:

But I have a 383, with open chamber big valve heads, stock pistons with 7.55:1 comp, stock sized hydraulic cam, modified Holley 600DP, and 2.56gear. I might be dreaming with the 11second hopes




and it's in an olds....

not a chance it goes 11's...sorry. I'll guess 13's. my S/C'd mild 440 went 12.0's on 6psi boost.
Posted By: Shaker223

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/19/10 12:26 PM

Yes, I'm using an intercooler as well as methanol. The pistons held up well until 30psi. I still have not disassembled the engine to determine what failed (it still ran but poorly). I was a touch lean but then again 30 PSI may have been to much for the stockers. I"ve ran over 20 PSI for the past 3 summers and 30 psi the last time at the track.
Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/19/10 01:16 PM

Quote:

Quote:

8lbs. I'm figuring it should be safe on 93 without an intercooler. I have 16lb wastegates if I want to try race gas. I plan to be able to run high 11's. Hopefully I won't need the 16lbs to achieve it with the car weighing 3000lbs




IMO you're treading on thin ice here with no I.C, iron heads, no meth injection, a blow through carb and no timing retard. 93 octane is extemely risky with all those factors.

I'd stick the timing at 10-15 and tune up from there. Keep in mind 'rich' isn't good enough, you'll want 11.5:1 OR LESS if you want to run pump gas.

Edit: just a quick engineering calc for you.
Assuming:
80 degree turbo inlet temps
8 psi boost
No intercooler
No meth/water injection
76% compressor efficiency (probably isn't if ebay turbos)
Constant specific heats for faster calc

You're looking at 174 degree intake temps, and that's not including heat transfer from various sources (usually good amount from turbo itself).




does a turbo produce that much more intake temp than a roots blower? I guess I should look into water injection
Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/19/10 01:23 PM

If you want to cool the boost get a Snow Performance Meth injector. It uses washer fluid. I think they start around $300.
Posted By: turbobitt

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/19/10 02:29 PM

Tim,

I may have a nice air to air intercooler for ya...
Allan G.
Posted By: Shaker223

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/19/10 04:22 PM

I used a universal Devils Own kit. It was $200 at the time. Last I looked they were 225.

Works great.

http://www.alcohol-injection.com/
Posted By: CokeBottleKid

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/19/10 09:38 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

8lbs. I'm figuring it should be safe on 93 without an intercooler. I have 16lb wastegates if I want to try race gas. I plan to be able to run high 11's. Hopefully I won't need the 16lbs to achieve it with the car weighing 3000lbs




IMO you're treading on thin ice here with no I.C, iron heads, no meth injection, a blow through carb and no timing retard. 93 octane is extemely risky with all those factors.

I'd stick the timing at 10-15 and tune up from there. Keep in mind 'rich' isn't good enough, you'll want 11.5:1 OR LESS if you want to run pump gas.

Edit: just a quick engineering calc for you.
Assuming:
80 degree turbo inlet temps
8 psi boost
No intercooler
No meth/water injection
76% compressor efficiency (probably isn't if ebay turbos)
Constant specific heats for faster calc

You're looking at 174 degree intake temps, and that's not including heat transfer from various sources (usually good amount from turbo itself).




does a turbo produce that much more intake temp than a roots blower? I guess I should look into water injection




No, typically less. But 8 psi on a roots with a combo like you're talking is still risky on pump gas. If you do see one it will be with WAY less timing then you're running...
Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/19/10 10:22 PM

I am switching down to 25deg. That worked well with the blower motor. and is more than 1deg per lb boost
Posted By: instigator

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/20/10 01:11 AM

The inlet temps below the carb wil be quite a bit lower...make sure the fuel pressur is rising with boost and give it he'll...8lbs should be fine with 25-28 timing with 7.5 compression on 93 octane... Good luck
Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/20/10 03:20 AM

I have a port to hook up a fuel pressure gauge. I still have to get one. The fuel pump seems to work under boost, I still want to verify
Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 01/20/10 12:22 PM

Quote:

I am switching down to 25deg. That worked well with the blower motor. and is more than 1deg per lb boost



I used an MSD boost delay. I dropped mine 1 degree per lb of boost. It hooks up easy and you can drop from 1/4* to 3* per lab of boost. that way you don't have to lock down your timing at 30* or less.
Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 02/14/10 11:06 PM

redesigned the oil drainbacks, mounted the gauges inside this time , and cleaned up some of the wiring. I also installed a fuel pressure gauge and the pump works with the boost

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSw3EnYRaAI

and a new burnout revving it up faster and higher, oh ya you can hear the blowoff as I shift into second gear

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL9gifihqpU
Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 03/07/10 08:00 PM

I installed my bumpers and got all of my lights working. I also adjusted the shifter. The clear plastic hoses I was using to make sure the turbo drain backs were working, melted they lasted a little longer than I expected. I am going to install some rubber hoses after I eat some late lunch. I also installed a seat belt for myself. I just need to buy myself a tach and driveshaft loop and I am ready for Lebanon Valley
Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 03/07/10 10:11 PM

I just took my car out for a drive and punched it in second gear. WOW! That thing goes. The boost kicked on instantly and kicked the back end out despite being a single legger. It felt like I had a roots blower on it. The boost gauge only read 5psi so I think the turbos can't put out the 8psi lol. Oh well. It pulls like the convertible, hopefully it runs like it too
Posted By: blownzoom440

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 03/07/10 10:19 PM

at least you are having some fun. 5lbs is a good kick in the pants.maybe check the pipes to the carb to be sure thay have no leaks.
Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 03/14/10 11:44 PM

I modified one of my tach-drive distributors and installed the 5" mechanical tach that Tom lent me from his old race car.

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Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 03/14/10 11:47 PM

I hollowed out the speedometer case and I pressed in the 5" Moroso tach. Now the Tach will bolt into any Cutlass

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Posted By: thecarfarmer

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 03/16/10 05:49 AM

Wow defbob, there's a ton of room in that engine bay!

Should be a fun ride!

Just for giggles, have you looked at bigger exhaust turbine housings? If boost comes on too fast, that's the way to calm it down, and decrease backpressure at the same time.

Yeah, you could replace the turbine wheel (or have it clipped), but there's more chance of hosing stuff up when monkeying with the CHRA parts.

As far as the compressor sides being too small... hard to say. I'd expect a '50' to be a little small for moving a lot of air on a half of a big block, but it might be reasonable. BTW, are these the T4 "E" or "B" series compressors? I believe that the maps are noticeably different.

It might be interesting to plumb in an intake air temp sensor in the carb hat. Find out exactly what that temp is, and put the guessing to rest. If you compare it to the ambient air temp at the intake of the turbo (may be pretty warm if picking up engine compartment air), you can calculate the compressor efficiency.

Mouser has a nice little thermistor available that reads up to about 300 deg. F... It's a whopping 77 cents per piece. Perfect for high rollers like me! Go to mouser.com and do a search for

771-KTY81221112

(I tried to do a url link to the page, but something about the syntax kept fouling up the ubbcode... you'll have to get old school on it and type... )

look at the temp vs. resistance chart on p. 4:

[url= http://www.nxp.com/documents/data_sheet/KTY81_SER.pdf ]data sheet[/url]

Pretty easy to read 'in situ' if you wire an ohmmeter to it and have someone monitor it while you drive. If you know that (making up the value here) say 1400 ohms = the max temp that you consider safe for air intake, you can wire up the part to a meter and have a 'quick and dirty' way of finding out if you're in the ballpark for air intake temps.

Remember, the boost will stress things a bit, but it's the temps that REALLY cause problems. That's why intercooled cars can get away with so much boost (thank you, Cap. Obvious!)...

If you want to get all cool, you could use a voltage regulator IC that's available from radio shack (or mouser) and make a nicely regulated +5V power supply, and read the voltage drop across the thermistor with a gage; that's basically how any temp sending unit works; you'd have to do some calibrating, but could probably have a gage that reads out reliably.

Hell, you might even put a coolant temp sending unit in the hat, and wire a gage to it (have to ground the sending unit?).

Well, it's past bedtime; time to stop making nonsense.

But that's a REALLY cool project. Good luck.

-Bill
Posted By: feets

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 03/16/10 08:09 PM

Just stick a coolant temperature sending unit in the air stream and hook up a cheapie temperature gauge. Cheap and easy.

I use T04B compressor housings with 60-1 wheels. They're a perfect fit for a street oriented 440.
Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 03/17/10 01:04 AM

I have T3/t4E's 50trim, .63 turbine
Posted By: feets

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 03/17/10 07:05 PM

I had a pair of Turbonetics T3 Stage III wheels in Stage III .48 housings. The engine stalled at 4800 rpm. The turbines quit flowing and the engine would not pull.
The Stage III .63 housings perked it up a wee bit but still limited top end power.
Stepping up to Stage III .96 housings fixed the problem.
The turbos respond nicely for a street car. Boost starts rolling in around 2500 RPM and pulls nicely through 6000 rpm.
I have run them as high as 17 psi with an alky injector. They're not going to be very efficient much higher than that.
Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 03/18/10 12:30 AM

I'll be shifting no higher than 5000rpm so hopefully mine will support that. If not, then I will shift where the power seems to fall off. I do have 2.56 gear so short shifting shouldn't affect it too much
Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 03/21/10 08:44 PM

Now that I have a tach, I took my car out for another test drive. The car does reach 8lbs and when the wastegates open it gets loud lol. It pulls up to just under 5k. I think that has alot to do with the stock sized cam though.

It also spun both tires through 3rd gear. This, despite being a single legger. Tom and I went back to look at the marks and sure enough, two sets of marks. And you can see each shift point lol
Posted By: blownzoom440

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 03/21/10 09:24 PM

i did this a few yrs ago.the problem was the sheriff was behind me.[no merror] he let me go.

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Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 03/27/10 10:46 PM

I still need to do the alignment on my car and it is ready. I reinstalled my rear window, fixed my rear axle (overpowered the stock 12bolt), installed the 3" wheel studs, mounted the slicks, wired up the neutral safety switch, replaced rear tranny seal, installed rear seat , lengthened the wastegate dumps after burning a wire , and I think that's about it.
Posted By: RockChip

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 03/29/10 02:34 AM

Hi thare Bob.

How do you have that boost refrenced mechanical fuel pump hooked up, what brand is it?

I have a 68 Belvedere with a 383 thats just screeming budget twin turbos

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Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 03/29/10 11:28 AM

its an edelbrock. it had two vents, so I plugged one and pressed a tube in the other. You run a line from the output of the turbo to the vent tube on the carb.

in the picture, you see the brass fitting in the turbo. From that to the vent in the pump.

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Posted By: RockChip

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 04/03/10 05:51 AM

Hey Bob!!!

you get that thing on the track yet?

or run it down the road a few times?

How much boost you gettin out of it?

Do you think the fuel pump trick would work with 14-17 pounds of boost?

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Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 04/03/10 09:20 PM

I've been down the road a few times. Pulls nicely. it makes 8lbs right now. The fuel pump trick might work with 15lbs. I have 16lb waste gates I will try it with, but only when I get a water injection setup.
Posted By: Defbob

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 12/19/10 03:57 PM

I just got my Cutlass back from Markow Race Cars where I had him install an 8.50et cage.

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Posted By: hemi-itis

Re: Twin Turbo Big Block *video* - 12/24/10 05:08 AM

Quote:

Now that I have a tach, I took my car out for another test drive. The car does reach 8lbs and when the wastegates open it gets loud lol. It pulls up to just under 5k. I think that has alot to do with the stock sized cam though.

It also spun both tires through 3rd gear. This, despite being a single legger. Tom and I went back to look at the marks and sure enough, two sets of marks. And you can see each shift point lol


I picture the 2 of you looking at the stripes and giggling like a pair of school girls
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