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a question for t-stop racers #578566
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I have been running a dedenbear ts-40 for a couple of years now with great results.heres the delema,my sanctioing body (lucas oil drag boat)has now made all in line linkage stops illegal!
!I run two 1050 Holleys and dont want to run only one carb,so I was thinking about buying two dedenbear TS6 bace plate stops witch are leagal and was wandering if any body has done this,or if it will work! thanks for the comments in advance!

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Re: a question for t-stop racers [Re: boatracer572] #578567
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I dont know of anyone that does it. You do not use a controller on the stop do you? Are you just using it to control the amount of opening of the throttle or do you use a controller to shut it donw? If it is only being used to slow the boat down, not being controled by a T Stop box then I do know of people who do that succesfully, but they are not using a Dedenbear stop more of just a restrictor plate. The Mooreheads do it quite well out here with thier Willy's pick up in B/G. The truck can go high 7's and they use a plate to mimit the opening below the carbs on thier B1 to run the 8.60 stuff. Does that make sense?


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Re: a question for t-stop racers [Re: Al_Alguire] #578568
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I do run a timer.(Dedenbear L1) off-on-off,just like a super cat.car!

Re: a question for t-stop racers [Re: boatracer572] #578569
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Bummer...I dont know of anyone doing it that way successfully, but i am sure there is someone doing it. Wonder what an injected guy would do? I suppose the big issue would be getting the two carbs to operate the same to aviod any potential issues. The plate stops are adjustable I suppose it would work provided you ahve the room, but in your boat I dont see that as an issue either. Kinda odd that you are allowed to run a stop and timer but they limit you as to the style. Wonder why they are making that rule, seems strange.


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Re: a question for t-stop racers [Re: Al_Alguire] #578570
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i have to ask...why are you running a TS? i thought you guys run heads up, is it for starting line control or something?

Re: a question for t-stop racers [Re: jamesc] #578571
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I run the 8.0 bracket, my boat unstoped runs in the 6.80 range

Re: a question for t-stop racers [Re: boatracer572] #578572
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thats a bad mofo got any pics???


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It's got one of those bad mofo Predator motors


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Bummer...I dont know of anyone doing it that way successfully, but i am sure there is someone doing it. Wonder what an injected guy would do? I suppose the big issue would be getting the two carbs to operate the same to aviod any potential issues. The plate stops are adjustable I suppose it would work provided you ahve the room, but in your boat I dont see that as an issue either. Kinda odd that you are allowed to run a stop and timer but they limit you as to the style. Wonder why they are making that rule, seems strange.




Al,whos stop are you running?



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I have a Dedenbear TS-5, air version with the secondary kit. On my heap the secondaries are 100% closed and the primary only cracked open. That will net me 4200 down power RPM. I go on the stop at the release of the t brake button, launch at 3800, goes to 4200, usualoly creeps up about 100+-rpm on the stop. I am usually on it for 4.8-5.0 seconds depending on weather. That nets me somewhere around a 10.90.

I would prefer a disc type stop and may switch later in the year. But since I will likely not get a chance to run the car before having to go to Phoenix for the divisional due to my schedule and the weather around here lately we will leave it as is for now. Killing at quick as possible for as short as possible is the key I think when trying to kill so much ET. I am killing off 2.8 seconds of ET to run Super Street at 10.90. If I could kill it more I could spend less time on the stop. Believe me 5 seconds is a LONG time ot wait for it to come back on.


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Re: a question for t-stop racers [Re: boatracer572] #578577
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why wouldn't a pair of TS6 stops work?

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I imagine it would. Provided they are adjusted correctly it shoudl work, just dont know of anyone doing it that way. Hard to relate water to land racing, at least for me. I think he has room with his Hogan intake and predator set up. But you have ot have room for all the linkage for the crbs then all the space the t stops use up. I am sure it will fit and work with some thought.

Like I said the only people T stopping a tunnel ram I can think of off hand are the Mooreheads out here running in B/G. But they use a restrictor plate not a t stop. So they loose the ET but they also loose MPH as well.


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guess i was missing the point at first. i thought he was questioning if it would work from a functionality standpoint. biggest potential problem i saw (as you mentioned) was physically getting all that stuff on the manifold. shame they did away linkage stops in this case sounds like a much simpler setup, wonder what their reasoning was. do the boats have to run a remote kill system?

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From my perspective it would just be one more thing to have to worry about. I cannot imagine trying to deal with t stops on the car. One is enough pain trying to get the car to run the same number every pass..


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i would "think" you could pick a starting point and setup both plates with a drill gauge or similar and adjust both plates for the same amount of stop. once you get that sorted the timer should do the rest. not that it's as simple as it sounds but unless the plates are inconsistent which would be a problem whether you're using one or two i don't see why it's not doable

Re: a question for t-stop racers [Re: boatracer572] #578582
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I have been running a dedenbear ts-40 for a couple of years now with great results.heres the delema,my sanctioing body (lucas oil drag boat)has now made all in line linkage stops illegal!
!I run two 1050 Holleys and dont want to run only one carb,so I was thinking about buying two dedenbear TS6 bace plate stops witch are leagal and was wandering if any body has done this,or if it will work! thanks for the comments in advance!




The under-carb stops will work, they need to be plumbed together though....the only thing I'm not crazy about them though is not having any pump shot coming off the stop...could stumble...?????

Have seen a couple of Super Comp guys run them on cars that also run Top Dragster....I'm going to change from my linkage in-line to an under-carb model also....I believe they are more consistent

Here's a link to a discussion over on Class Racer that might help you out....????

http://www.classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?p=134927

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Kinda what I was wondering..Guess if they are plumbed together. I suppose one of those manifold set ups that Dedenbear has might work!?! It would need to be plumbed to one valve then air to each stop. Certainly would not want to try electric stops, cant see how you can get two solenoids to work equally with the consistency needed.


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Kinda what I was wondering..Guess if they are plumbed together. I suppose one of those manifold set ups that Dedenbear has might work!?! It would need to be plumbed to one valve then air to each stop. Certainly would not want to try electric stops, cant see how you can get two solenoids to work equally with the consistency needed.




Your right....one valve is all thats needed it's just directing air there would be no additional load on the valve. I would run at least 125# of pressure though, I run 80# on my inline stop

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My sanctiong body thinks that a inline stop could hold the throttle wide open! There a bunch of dummys that dont understand how they work! i was thinking the same thing two stops one set of valves! I found that my boat dosent like to be on the stop @less than 5800 rpms.the trans shifts just after it comes off the stop. the stop on the boat now is coming on at .750 then stays on for 2.--- seconds and thats an 8.0 run around 160 mph.Thanks again guys for reinforcing a couple of thoughts that I had.







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