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Balancer Question #572689 01/04/10 07:19 PM 01/04/10 07:19 PM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 699 Cooperstown, NY jrlegacy23 OP mopar
jrlegacy23 OP mopar Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 699 Cooperstown, NY	My machine shop is internally balancing my 4.15 stroke, 400 Based stroker motor. He asked me today that before he started, which balancer am I using. He said if I was using an ATI super damper it wouldn't matter. I have not gotten one yet, but does it matter which one I use as long as I use a neutral balanced damper? I know ATI is great quality, but can't I go with a Summit SFI internal balance and not have to worry about the balance being messed up? Any recommendations? [color:"#00FF00"]68 Fastback Barracuda with some stuff[/color]

Re: Balancer Question [Re: jrlegacy23] #572690 01/04/10 07:54 PM 01/04/10 07:54 PM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 579 Ft.Myers,Florida Hemiruss mopar
Hemiruss mopar Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 579 Ft.Myers,Florida	I have great luck with a Fluid Dampner,I was running a 572 hemi on alcohol with a 500 shot of NX,it always worked great..Also they had a recall on a balancer I had for 3 years and they fixed it for free you got to love that.

Re: Balancer Question [Re: Hemiruss] #572691 01/04/10 07:57 PM 01/04/10 07:57 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 9,066 Eugene, Oregon M minivan master
minivan master M Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 9,066 Eugene, Oregon	Probably not relevant but when I had my 67 440 balanced I had to bring them the stock balancer for them to balance the engine..

Re: Balancer Question [Re: minivan] #572692 01/04/10 10:54 PM 01/04/10 10:54 PM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 699 Cooperstown, NY jrlegacy23 OP mopar
jrlegacy23 OP mopar Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 699 Cooperstown, NY	Is an ATI more neutrally balanced than any other dampner [color:"#00FF00"]68 Fastback Barracuda with some stuff[/color]

Re: Balancer Question [Re: jrlegacy23] #572693 01/08/10 09:40 PM 01/08/10 09:40 PM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 699 Cooperstown, NY jrlegacy23 OP mopar
jrlegacy23 OP mopar Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 699 Cooperstown, NY	Anyone know? [color:"#00FF00"]68 Fastback Barracuda with some stuff[/color]

Re: Balancer Question [Re: jrlegacy23] #572694 01/09/10 02:36 AM 01/09/10 02:36 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,884 Michigan MNobody master
MNobody master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,884 Michigan	Maybe contact ATI and ask them? might be quicker.

Re: Balancer Question [Re: MNobody] #572695 01/09/10 05:46 AM 01/09/10 05:46 AM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 699 Cooperstown, NY jrlegacy23 OP mopar
jrlegacy23 OP mopar Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 699 Cooperstown, NY	I may have to, I just wasn't really in too much of a hurry... I just figured there had to be some machine shop guys on here that have hands on experiences with stuff like this [color:"#00FF00"]68 Fastback Barracuda with some stuff[/color]

Re: Balancer Question [Re: jrlegacy23] #572696 01/09/10 06:20 PM 01/09/10 06:20 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,884 Michigan MNobody master
MNobody master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,884 Michigan	Give it some time they're out there.

Re: Balancer Question [Re: jrlegacy23] #572697 01/09/10 08:48 PM 01/09/10 08:48 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,716 Baltimore/Denver 64Post master
64Post master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,716 Baltimore/Denver	Quote: Is an ATI more neutrally balanced than any other dampner ATI's come pre-balanced from the factory.

Re: Balancer Question [Re: 64Post] #572698 01/09/10 10:00 PM 01/09/10 10:00 PM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 699 Cooperstown, NY jrlegacy23 OP mopar
jrlegacy23 OP mopar Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 699 Cooperstown, NY	Quote: ATI's come pre-balanced from the factory. My question is, does an ATI come better neutral balanced than any other neutral balanced balancer? If you are internally balancing an engine, do you need the balancer? Or can I just buy any neutral Balanced damper after it was balanced? [color:"#00FF00"]68 Fastback Barracuda with some stuff[/color]

Re: Balancer Question [Re: jrlegacy23] #572699 01/10/10 03:00 AM 01/10/10 03:00 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,884 Michigan MNobody master
MNobody master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,884 Michigan	Neutral balance is neutral balance, how close they balance it is another thing. I guess it depends on who does it and unless someone has done a comparison who knows. I'm assuming any good neutral balanced one will work, it's getting balanced with the rotating assembly.

Re: Balancer Question [Re: jrlegacy23] #572700 01/10/10 03:34 AM 01/10/10 03:34 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,716 Baltimore/Denver 64Post master
64Post master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,716 Baltimore/Denver	Quote: Quote: ATI's come pre-balanced from the factory. My question is, does an ATI come better neutral balanced than any other neutral balanced balancer? If you are internally balancing an engine, do you need the balancer? Or can I just buy any neutral Balanced damper after it was balanced? I can't speak to that. There are 2 and 3 ring ATI balancers available, with the 3 ring being better. There are additional costs in running the 3 ring, but they're somewhat offset by the $70 difference in price. The 3 ring is thicker, and you'll need a longer damper bolt, special crank pulley, longer pulley bolts, and a shorter belt if you want to run a stock 3 pulley type set up. I recently worked out all of the parts required to make it simple. PM me if you decide to go that way.

Re: Balancer Question [Re: 64Post] #572701 01/10/10 06:04 AM 01/10/10 06:04 AM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 699 Cooperstown, NY jrlegacy23 OP mopar
jrlegacy23 OP mopar Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 699 Cooperstown, NY	Thanks guys, for the help. 64Post, I am not sure which way I am going with the pulleys yet, but I will PM when I do. [color:"#00FF00"]68 Fastback Barracuda with some stuff[/color]

Re: Balancer Question [Re: jrlegacy23] #572702 01/10/10 11:20 AM 01/10/10 11:20 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,071 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,071 U.S.S.A.	Neutral balance is neutral balance , some are closer than others ... ??? ... , your shop is RECOMMENDING to you to go with the ATI , that's all, you seem to be reading into it way too much. If you want to use something else then I would tell that to the shop before you get it and have the shop spin it and they can correct it as/if necessary. I have a BHJ and had it spun , it was out a little , drill a hole , fixed .

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