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Foot brake or flash the converter? #565625
12/29/09 03:01 AM
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I was talking to a fellow dragracer at our club Christmas dinner a couple of weeks ago & he said I should be flashing the converter rather than foot braking on the start, what is your opinion?

My present combo is bog stock 383 Barracuda, 1700kg with less than factory compression (8.2:1) at present, auto, 3.91 gears & brand new Hoosier 275x50x15 quicktimes.

For consistancy I always run with an empty boot & a full tank

We only race on crap surfaces (roads & airports) & don't get many 60' & 1/8 times but I still want to go faster.

My best 60' to date is a 2.172 (9.311@75.31 & 14.466@94.78)

My best 1/8 to date is a 9.014 (with no 60' or MPH recorded)

These times were footbraking the car to 1700 RPM then steadily pushing the gas to the floor.

The car will stall to 2600 RPM on the brakes every time tested.

I have tried starting at an idle & flashing the converter a couple of times but went up in smoke (although this was with my old Hoosiers)

Any tips or hints on launching would be greatly appreciated, Cheers

Re: Foot brake or flash the converter? [Re: nz383man] #565626
12/29/09 09:38 AM
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1st what's an "empty boot" and full tank? I'd go w/ 1/2.

You have to do what works best for you. If you flash it and it boils the tires then what good is it. I usually take mine up to 1400 or so then mash it when the last yellow lights. I have tried the "flash" method but with my slow cars I've never seen much if any gain.


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Re: Foot brake or flash the converter? [Re: nz383man] #565627
12/29/09 10:57 AM
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Somebody that looks a lot like me, in his younger days, used to street race a 66 Hemi Charger. To impress the kids I could flash the converter and do a funny car burn out. To actually leave hard the car had to be foot braked to 2000 RPM to get maximum traction with the street tires. My race car doesn't care, it will leave hard either way.

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Re: Foot brake or flash the converter? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #565628
12/29/09 11:01 AM
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1st what's an "empty boot"





That would be an empty trunk

I agree, find what works best for your car. I had someone tell me the same thing once and it made no difference in my ET.

Re: Foot brake or flash the converter? [Re: nz383man] #565629
12/29/09 11:08 AM
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Not saying that this will work for you BUT if I leave
at low rpm 1800 or so and hit the gas it will blow
the tires off but if I go up onto the converter it
will plant the tires.... in your case its all trial
and error for the best launch

Re: Foot brake or flash the converter? [Re: WILD BILL] #565630
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Quote:

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1st what's an "empty boot"





That would be an empty trunk

I agree, find what works best for your car. I had someone tell me the same thing once and it made no difference in my ET.



.........Boot is an english term for a trunk...........the gentleman is from New Zealand, hence the english influence.

Re: Foot brake or flash the converter? [Re: savoyracer] #565631
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.........Boot is an english term for a trunk...........the gentleman is from New Zealand, hence the english influence.




So do the girls there have "loot in their boot" instead of "junk in the trunk"?
Sorry,I couldn't resist.
I change launch rpm while footbraking to adjust my reaction times. From 1500 to 2200 makes little difference in e.t. but it helps r.t.,for what it's worth.

Re: Foot brake or flash the converter? [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #565632
12/29/09 12:24 PM
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So do the girls there have "loot in their boot" instead of "junk in the trunk"?
Sorry,I couldn't resist.





I'll have to use that one!

Re: Foot brake or flash the converter? [Re: roadhazard] #565633
12/29/09 02:16 PM
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Cheers guys, sorry about my poor "English"

There are a few good points here, I'll get out & do more "testing"

As for Loot in the boot or junk in the trunk, any more than 2 hands full is too much

( . )( . ) on the other hand are not limited in size

Re: Foot brake or flash the converter? [Re: nz383man] #565634
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My cars have always seemed to repeat the best when I was up against the converter.

I tried flashing it a few times and it didn't work good but that probably depends on the converter and chassis setup.


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Re: Foot brake or flash the converter? [Re: moparacer] #565635
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When you are on the converter The suspension is loaded, which makes everything more consistant. If you flash the coverter you lose time with the suspension reacting.

Re: Foot brake or flash the converter? [Re: KD800X] #565636
12/30/09 12:12 AM
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When you are on the converter The suspension is loaded, which makes everything more consistant. If you flash the coverter you lose time with the suspension reacting.


I have tried to leave against the verter,can't get it to stick


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Re: Foot brake or flash the converter? [Re: nz383man] #565637
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Is it spinning the tire? If so, add some loot to the boot...and an off idle leave that loads the suspension would be more consistent...

Re: Foot brake or flash the converter? [Re: Sixpak] #565638
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Is it spinning the tire? If so, add some loot to the boot...and an off idle leave that loads the suspension would be more consistent...




I have heard it before that there are many street cars that would actually do quicker times by adding weight to the rear of the boot/trunk/car!
This is why I run a full tank of gas, I think I 60' better with more weight & if I cant 60' I'll never do a good time so a bit extra weight will not slow things down too much. I think what I should be doing is trying to get the weight distribution better.

I weighed my car a while ago & this is what I found-

Total 1700kg – 3748 lbs

Front 960 kg – 2117 lbs
Rear 740 kg – 1631 lbs

Difference 220 kg – 486 lbs (front heavy)

This was with an empty boot/trunk, full tank of gas & front swaybar removed. Since then I have shifted the 20kg/44lb battery to the RH side of the Trunk (OK you guys win the boot trunk thing!)

I use 2 spring clamps on the front portion of both rear springs (New HD 440-Hemi springs), pinion snubber set to 1/2" clearance, 318 torsion bars & Summit drag shocks all round.

I have heard some bad things about the newer SS springs made in Mexico, what do you people think? should I fit SS springs & would there be much gain? I do intend building another engine with more power soon but I want to get the car to hook with the power it has first.




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Re: Foot brake or flash the converter? [Re: nz383man] #565639
12/30/09 02:21 AM
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Nice car! And nice view at the track!

Dave

Re: Foot brake or flash the converter? [Re: HemiDave] #565640
12/30/09 02:55 AM
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Nice car! And nice view at the track!

Dave




Cheers for that Dave & here is another killer veiw from the track.



and a couple of Aussie Valiants, over 300HP (factory)from a 265ci 6!


Re: Foot brake or flash the converter? [Re: nz383man] #565641
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Wow!!

But I don't see ANY sheep!

Dave

Re: Foot brake or flash the converter? [Re: HemiDave] #565642
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Wow!!

But I don't see ANY sheep!

Dave




You didn't look hard enough Dave.


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Re: Foot brake or flash the converter? [Re: nz383man] #565643
12/30/09 05:35 AM
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Wow!!

But I don't see ANY sheep!

Dave




You didn't look hard enough Dave.





great pictures,thanks!

Re: Foot brake or flash the converter? [Re: nz383man] #565644
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It sounds like you are doing the right thing with your launch proceedure. I would start working with rear tire pressure and loosen up the front of the car to get more weight transfer.
Also try different length of burn outs. I run MT ET street radials and if I make them to hot it seems to hurt my 60 ft time.
I'm not real familar with the tires you are running but I am pretty sure my 325x50x15 MT Drag Radials would hook a high 12 second or slower car almost solid.
I am still working on my set up be I've gone 1.68
60 ft times with these tires on a poorly preped track. My son videoed my runs and you can hear the tires sqealing most of the way through first gear but they didn't go up in smoke.
I'm running leaf springs and stock big block torsion bars.
I like your cuda. But I'm not a big sheep fan!

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