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Re: Thinking about adding a rear sway bar...your thoughts [Re: ogopogo] #564700
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Which of the rear bars require the least amount of hacking or drilling to the car itself?




probably firm feels, as it looks like it uses the factory locations for mounting.


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Re: Thinking about adding a rear sway bar...your thoughts [Re: patrick] #564701
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I'll likely order and install the Firm Feel bar in March, now I'm anxious to see how much better the car handles.

Re: Thinking about adding a rear sway bar...your thoughts [Re: GTXKen] #564702
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Would love to see pics of rear sway assemblies on cars to see the different attachement methods especially on the rear axle.

Re: Thinking about adding a rear sway bar...your thoughts [Re: GMP440] #564703
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Would love to see pics of rear sway assemblies on cars to see the different attachement methods especially on the rear axle.




Hotchkis

Instruction sheet: http://www.hotchkis.net/_uploaded_files/2255f22552255rinstructions169file.pdf






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Re: Thinking about adding a rear sway bar...your thoughts [Re: GMP440] #564704
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Would love to see pics of rear sway assemblies on cars to see the different attachement methods especially on the rear axle.




Firm Feel (from website)

(62-79)B Body Rear Sway Bar Kits
Isoclamp axle mount must be modified or converted to older style axle mount




The next 2 pics are of an A-Body installation,
(the B-body has the same layout)




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Re: Thinking about adding a rear sway bar...your thoughts [Re: GMP440] #564705
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Would love to see pics of rear sway assemblies on cars to see the different attachement methods especially on the rear axle.




Addco:


NOTE:Hellwig"reference is the old style. The new style is like the Hotchkis with a dogbone link.





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Re: Thinking about adding a rear sway bar...your thoughts [Re: GMP440] #564706
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Would love to see pics of rear sway assemblies on cars to see the different attachement methods especially on the rear axle.




Hellwig








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Re: Thinking about adding a rear sway bar...your thoughts [Re: autoxcuda] #564707
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Its the way the Firm Feel bar mounts that got my interest initally. Their website also states that it will clear caltracks and I may want to add those in the future.

Re: Thinking about adding a rear sway bar...your thoughts [Re: GTXKen] #564708
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Go w/Firm Feel.

Mounting the bar on the frame reduces unsprung weight.

Re: Thinking about adding a rear sway bar...your thoughts [Re: GTXKen] #564709
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Its the way the Firm Feel bar mounts that got my interest initally. Their website also states that it will clear caltracks and I may want to add those in the future.




I just showed pictures. You make the decision. There are pluses and minuses to each (excluding the Addco). Certain cars and what the buyers want to do with the cars will dictate choice.

The over the axle is a clean looking setup for sure.

The over the axle type does have the possibility to interfere with exhaust routing. More so if it's large pipe. I think you could see the possible critical areas from the pictures and get a good idea if there will be a problem. Tough for a manufacturer to predict custom hand built exhaust work. I think that's why most companies are afraid to build them that way. That and the installation is more involved since you have to unbolt the axle to switch shock plates. And it might be tough to thread the sway bar in the exhaust hooked up.

Also if you move the springs inward it's not going to work.


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Re: Thinking about adding a rear sway bar...your thoughts [Re: autoxcuda] #564710
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hmmm, now I don't know if I want to install my XV setup on my Charger... (they use the addco bar)

Re: Thinking about adding a rear sway bar...your thoughts [Re: challenger70] #564711
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hmmm, now I don't know if I want to install my XV setup on my Charger... (they use the addco bar)




I run an addco in two of my cars. It gets the job done. It just doesn't have the features as the others. You have to put some care and thought to mounting the frame brackets.

Re: Thinking about adding a rear sway bar...your thoughts [Re: autoxcuda] #564712
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The over the axle type does have the possibility to interfere with exhaust routing. More so if it's large pipe.




This is the only issue I had with the firm feel rear bar on my E body. The car got a stroked hemi and I was hoping to go 2.5" pipes over the axles mimimum, but with the cars low stance and the firm feel bar, I ended up with 2.25" pipes, plus some fancy bends.... Other than that, no problems with the install and extremely high quality hardware
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Re: Thinking about adding a rear sway bar...your thoughts [Re: autoxcuda] #564713
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hmmm, now I don't know if I want to install my XV setup on my Charger... (they use the addco bar)




I run an addco in two of my cars. It gets the job done. It just doesn't have the features as the others. You have to put some care and thought to mounting the frame brackets.




+ the package is all designed to work together so I guess i don't want to monkey around with just part of it. I am planning on having my welder weld that bracket to the frame rail, anything wrong with that?

Re: Thinking about adding a rear sway bar...your thoughts [Re: GTXKen] #564714
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for only $15 this book is a good read:

http://www.amazon.com/How-Make-Your-Car-...mp;sr=8-1-fkmr0

or for slightly more

http://www.amazon.com/Car-Suspension-Wor...618&sr=8-20

instead of adding a rear sway bar
it is usually better to decrease the front bar diameter and/or go to softer springs in the front

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instead of adding a rear sway bar
it is usually better to decrease the front bar diameter and/or go to softer springs in the front






Go less than stock front springs? Like /6 T-bars or 440 to 318 T-bars?

Then that just reduces front roll rate, transfers more load to the outside tire, and causes the outside tire to drastically lose camber and grip.

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can I use the addco front bar with a firm feel rear bar without any negative effects? I already have the addco 1 1/8 bar. If it works out, what size best compliments this? thanks!
-kevin


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Re: Thinking about adding a rear sway bar...your thoughts [Re: mopars_1] #564717
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can I use the addco front bar with a firm feel rear bar without any negative effects? I already have the addco 1 1/8 bar. If it works out, what size best compliments this? thanks!
-kevin




You'll be fine. Firm Feel bars front bars are 1 1/8 also.

If you are really trying to dial in your front and rear balance you'll need a adjustable rear bar. There are too many variable to get it absolutely perfect. And driver preference and driving style is on of the big variables a manufactuer can't predict.

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can I use the addco front bar with a firm feel rear bar without any negative effects? I already have the addco 1 1/8 bar. If it works out, what size best compliments this? thanks!
-kevin




You'll be fine. Firm Feel bars front bars are 1 1/8 also.

If you are really trying to dial in your front and rear balance you'll need a adjustable rear bar. There are too many variable to get it absolutely perfect. And driver preference and driving style is on of the big variables a manufactuer can't predict.




alright, my biggest concern was the different sizes that are offered out there. thanks!
-kevin


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Re: Thinking about adding a rear sway bar...your thoughts [Re: autoxcuda] #564719
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The Firm Feel rear bar is great!
I installed one on my 67 Charger.

The brake line is easy to move out of the way.

There are some that have had issues with the exhaust pipes getting in the way. Do a test fit with weight on and off the rear axle to make sure you have clearence before you start drilling holes.

One additional note.

You are probably going to need longer U Bolts to install it. There is a plate that gets added to the leaf springs for the sway bar to attach too and my stock U Bolts were not long enough. I got 4 new ones at a local spring and suspension shop for like $30

I will be replacing my front stock bar with a FF bar this summer.

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