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Stuff I might try would be the 4.56 or 4.30 to start, maybe go all the way to 4.30 as you have plenty of low gear ratio and plenty of stall already. Easy to do. Next would be to tighten up the lash (intake first, and don't be afraid to go down .010)and see if it wants more cam, add collecter extensions if you don't have at least 18 inch. You can experiment with final length. Try more fuel, more or less timing after you get the fuel curve done. Advance the cam, after everything else is done if you want to see what it will do. Check your cold air intake, make sure it has decent air entry at the carb, also need to do back to back tests to be sure it is an improvement. You could try a real drag radial slick if you can get one in there, might want to match it with a small radial up front. Check around and see who is running hotter cams and going faster than you, to get an idea what you can get away with if you want to upgrade to a bigger stick. well, I'm getting brain freeze, hope this keeps you busy for a while! Greg

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with alot of what Greg said but I would
stay with the gear you have for now... try more carb
and work on the suspension... loose front end shock
setting and good rear shocks. The header extensions
will most likely pick up some torque

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Stuff I might try would be the 4.56 or 4.30 to start, maybe go all the way to 4.30 as you have plenty of low gear ratio and plenty of stall already. Easy to do. Next would be to tighten up the lash (intake first, and don't be afraid to go down .010)and see if it wants more cam, add collecter extensions if you don't have at least 18 inch. You can experiment with final length. Try more fuel, more or less timing after you get the fuel curve done. Advance the cam, after everything else is done if you want to see what it will do. Check your cold air intake, make sure it has decent air entry at the carb, also need to do back to back tests to be sure it is an improvement. You could try a real drag radial slick if you can get one in there, might want to match it with a small radial up front. Check around and see who is running hotter cams and going faster than you, to get an idea what you can get away with if you want to upgrade to a bigger stick. well, I'm getting brain freeze, hope this keeps you busy for a while! Greg

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with alot of what Greg said but I would
stay with the gear you have for now... try more carb
and work on the suspension... loose front end shock
setting and good rear shocks. The header extensions
will most likely pick up some torque

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It is a learning process, what works on one car for one racer may not respond the same for another racer different tracks and different weather make different results Don't be afraid to experiment, make sure you have enough fuel delivery by jetting the carb up fat enough to make the car slow down the MPH in the 1/4 If you can't do that fix the fuel system and do it again until you can slow the car down by making it to rich Lots of things affect the car and the motors performance, stall, shift speeds, air pressure front and rear and so on. I have seen using a air cleaner base only pick cars up .03 Let us know what you do and the results

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suspension. The first thing that caught my eye was those boat anchor front wheels. I realize you probably still have the 4" bolt circle so that limits availability for alluminum wheels.

Leon

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If you have the bucks try holeshot wheels... I think they will drill a 4" pattern for you....
your car run's good main thing I think your lacking is 60' and 1/4 mph my car 60's 1.47-1.49 1/8 7.0's 94-95mph 1/4 11.13 118mph... your car really pulls in the middle compared to my car... we need to race heads up LOL

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Everyone, thanks for your replies.
More carb tuning, ignition (currently timing is 34 deg, all in by 2600 rpm), valve lash are things I will go after. Is plug gap something to experiment with? Currently .035, I run an MSD 6AL, chipped at 7400rpm, and the coil from Locomotins old MP ignition system he used to run.

I kinda think the 4.56's will be the sweet gear set for the 1/4 mile, though I'll leave the 4.88's in for the 1/8th mile (home track is Skyviewdrags, 5 miles from my drive way).

I know there are better cams out on the market than what I have in there now (it fit my budget when I bought it), and I very well may change it out in the future, at the moment I don't want to get involved climbing inside the engine and comming up not being ready for the season, (I know this is December, but I lost this year to fixing my Areodynamics by oxidation and I started in late January early Febuary) plus... I think it can deliever the goods. It's only gotta do it once.

Mr. P Body, you mentioned a looser front end; as in aluminum/solid nylon bushings? Several years ago (another summer I lost to car construction) rebuilt/rebushed/replaced the complete front end with a 73 disk brake set up. I could make solid bushings and I do have another set of 73 to 76 upper control arms, I could have them waiting for a good time to make the swap.

I guess front wheels are kinda heavy, they are dognut spare rims, VW bug spec tire, the least expensive 4 inch wide tire/rim combo I could come up with at the time. I inflate the tires to 50 psi.

Here's a couple of my time slips:

ESTA safty park 10/11/09, 3:16pm, running 1/8 mile due to wind conditions, normally 1/4 mile track, a cold over cast day in the low 50's/high 40's I think.

7.20 dial
.6191 reaction
1.6498 60 ft
6.6018 594ft ET
7.0600 1/8 mile ET
98.21 mph

Skyview drags 10/03/09, cool day, over cast.

7.06 dial
.7600 reaction (I work nights, this run was 5:21pm, my day started 9pm the night before)
1.5430 60ft
4.5336 330ft
6.6171 594ft ET
7.0829 1/8 mile ET
96.61 mph


Esta safty park, 9/21/08, 5:55pm, cool day, low 60's, over cast.

11.18 dial
.6989 reaction
1.5272 60ft
6.5490 594ft ET
7.0130 1/8th mile ET
96.98 1/8th mile mph
11.1472 1/4 mile ET
116.88 1/4 mile mph

StripeHOG, bring it on down anytime!!!

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I had'nt considered the fuel pump (it's a Holley blue), I could paralell two I suppose.

I like your reference to stock eleminator cars, they may not mile-an-hour real big (depending on class), but they ET like crazy and that impresses/motivates the daylights outa me.

I'd like to here more of your thoughts about why not to use a low first gear, gear set.

Mike, I welcome any help your willing to give. Look forward to seeing you at the track.

Do you remember this seen?
Jim Burch

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You're actually in pretty good shape so far. You're within pounds of my 69, with a very similar combo. A couple of things come to mind, though. Put a bigger fuel pump on it and make sure you have a big enough line. You need to be able to fill a 1 gallon jug in 15-20 seconds from the line going from your regulator to the carb. Secondly, as someone has already pointed out, put some lighter wheels on the front. Remember, you are accelerating these tires from rest to several hundred rpm in just over 11 seconds. That uses up considerable HP, actually.
I've discussed the low first gear thing at length with a guy who builds stocker motors for a number of national record holders. He's not a convinced it's the right ticket on a stock stroke bracket car. You and I run several mph faster than a 11-teen stocker. This means that low first gear puts us in 2nd and 3rd for a greater period of time and probably hurts more than it helps. Our big drawback is that our 360 inchers are a bit "torque challenged."
On the bright side, you're literally a handful of tweaks from a 10 second time slip.
I'd put the 4.88's in it. My 360 had been pulling 7100 in the lights before I went to a looser convertor that somehow quickened the launch but has killed the MPH and ET by 3/.3 with a lower trap RPM to boot.

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I had'nt considered the fuel pump (it's a Holley blue), I could paralell two I suppose.

I like your reference to stock eleminator cars, they may not mile-an-hour real big (depending on class), but they ET like crazy and that impresses/motivates the daylights outa me.

I'd like to here more of your thoughts about why not to use a low first gear, gear set.

Mike, I welcome any help your willing to give. Look forward to seeing you at the track.

Do you remember this seen?
Jim Burch

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Before you spend dough on a fuel pump, put a fuel pressure gauge on it and determine if it NEEDS it. Also, the fill-the-bucket test is good, too. I KNOW of 8/9/10 second cars with ONE blue pump. Make sure the delivery is good (1/2" line, no sharp bends, etc) and you should be good.

Comparing your car to a stocker is apples and oranges. They have aluminum drum, roller bearing trans, light spools, rifle drilled axles, moved wheelbases, 51%/49% weight bias, lightned cranks, etc...

There is probably a SOLID .10 in your front wheels and tires. A RACE front runner is light! Every so often you see small bolt pattern Centerlines for sale on here and foraboldiesonly.com

Good luck and keep posting the updates, cuase my low-dollar 360 Dart project is underway!

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