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talked to the old boy doing these injection test again today. yesterday he did part 2 of getting his test mule kits certifide. he hired a local curcuit track & did an ecconomy test on his cars with & without the hydrogen kits installed. they drained the fuel from all the cars & then ran the engine till they stopped, then added a measured dose of fuel in the tank & had the drivers maintain 50 mph around the track till they ran out of fuel. then dragged them back to the startline, put the same measured dose of fuel & connected up the hydrogen injection. all the cars did 2 more laps minimum before they puttered out from no fuel again. the test curcuit was nearly 3 miles long so thats a good improvement from a bit of tap water huh? the measusered dose of fuel was 5 litres so thats just over a gallon for you guys. he said a rep from one of the fuel companies even showed up to watch & spent a lot of the time on the cellphone. must be getting nervous?

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Links? videos? press coverage?

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yes that may be all true!!
But you miss the Energy Potential of each fuel!!

Oxygen and Hydrogen pack a lot of energy potential in a small quantity.

As far as robbing energy from the alternator? What do you think it is doing the whole time the engine is running??? It is sitting there spinning whether you tap into it and use the electricity potential or not, it will set there spinning. It doesn't disconnect and take a break. Far as I see it letting it spin and not using it is more of a waist!!

Yes I have hear Alternators cause an engine to load up. And in each instance it is because the alternator was being overloaded itself. (Usually after a Dead battery, or external accessory was plugged in) Use the right size and you have no worries.

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Ever hear an engine slow down a little at idle when the heater fan and lights are all turned on? Or the difference in idle speed when cooling fans kick on? Or when hooking up the jumper cables to that car with the dead battery?

That's the difference between an alternator just spinning, and being loaded.

All energy pulled out of an alternator comes from the crank, via the belt drive. Regardless of the temperature of the alternator.

It's been many years since chemistry and physics classes, but I can still recall this: molecules which release energy when they combine will take energy to break back down into their elemental components. If you don't want to take MY word for it, go look this stuff up. Or just ask someone who knows. You'll find 'em in any 200 level chem class at any reputable college.

Ask how much energy is required to separate O2 + 2XH2 from 2X H20. Then ask how much energy is released from combining that same amount of oxygen and hydrogen. And, how much energy is required to kick said reaction off.

If we could make MORE power by burning hydrogen than what it takes to break the water produced back into hydrogen and oxygen... we'd better throw all the laws of physics as we know 'em out the window. Because we'll have disproved the law of conservation of energy.

Oh, and probably made ourselves rich enough to buy Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and any half-dozen Saudi princes as our butler, gardener, and cabana boys.

The only plausible benefit I can imagine is that the oxygen and hydrogen released by the browns gas system is able to facilitate a cleaner/better/more homogeneous burn in the combustion chamber.

Oh, and it facilitates 'internet urinating contests'. But that's okay, since I've been drinking water all day, and just had a big cup of coffee...

-Bill

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i just love it when people claim to have defied the laws of physics... perpetual energy...sorry guys not today

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i just love it when people claim to have defied the laws of physics... perpetual energy...sorry guys not today

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I must have missed something but I didn't read that anyone claimed to do any such nonsense. If I'm not mistaken, the idea of increasing fuel economy by hydrogen injection is the topic at hand.

After you have seen hydrogen gas melt rocks and explode with a flame travel speed of over 10 times that of gasoline - you might start to step out of the box your mind has you in.

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you will find that it doesn't take much current to split water when delivered appropriately

Yes, there's a wide range of efficiency as to how the process is accomplished.
The amount of energy used to separate water can be as high as (insert google number here) if you accidentally ground your power source, or some other foolish error.
On the other end, it can be as efficient as to produce 99.99999% of the energy originally generated by burning the hydrogen - if you have an engine with a tiny little research lab inside with completely controlled conditions; otherwise, not.
How do you get 100.000% of the energy back? When the laws of physics (inductance, entropy) are repealed.
When do you get 100.001%?
Never, not ever.

What's really sad isn't the people here who believe that:
1. you can get something for nothing
2. a demonstration can't be faked
3. even if it could, this great guy would never do that merely to get a lot of money

What's tragic is that some guys have actually paid for this rights to this "system" and invested their own money in trying to retro-fit cars with it as a business.
Some of the reports (Youtube) are very depressing - the customers keep coming back and asking "where's the improvement?", etc. and the guy keeps making adjustments and excuses.
His investment, career, and business end in bankruptcy, and alienation of his customers.

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After you have seen hydrogen gas melt rocks and explode with a flame travel speed of over 10 times that of gasoline - you might start to step out of the box your mind has you in.

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the last unit i worked (catalytic reforming unit) made hydrogen as a byproduct, about 1200 mscfh. the heater required to run the process was larger than most people's homes, fired at a rate of about 250,000,000 BTU per hour, had a stack 12 feet in diameter and about 125 feet tall. in other words it consumed enough energy to heat a good sized town. i don't claim to be an expert but afaik there are basically two different forms of hydrogen. H2 and electrolytic or atomic which is what you get from electrolysis, that is what's being discussed here. electrolysis of hydrogen is a net loss of energy, it takes more energy to run the process than the hydrogen it produces releases when burned. as for flame travel speed that's not necessarily a positive in an internal combustion engine. if it's too fast the flame front/shockwave will compress the gases in front of it severely enough to cause autoignition from the heat generated. then the two flame fronts will collide resulting in a thinning of your wallet due to replacing broken parts. internal combustion engines don't like detonation. everyone wants something for nothing it's just natural, it does however defy the laws of physics and to the best of my knowledge not a single one of these laws has ever been broken.

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the stations cost as much as $3 million to install and rely on private funding to make it happen

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will be able to fill 10 to 15 vehicles per day

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