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Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
[Re: max_maniac]
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My GVW is 12,200tk and 18,500tr for a CGVW of 30,700. My trailer is not lettered and it is tagged as a trailer, not an RV
that's the part that confuses ther cops and racers. it comes from the DOT weight regulation of being over 26,000 lb needing a CDL
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except recreational vehicles,
I even registered my dualie for total weight with trailer just to any b/s for groos weight and under tagging that may pop up.
Come to Pa. and get your azz handed to you on pages of a ticket book.Any trailer with GVW of over 9999lbs falls under CDL requirements.They don't care if your hauling Aunt Mary's pie to the local county fair.Any combination that exceeds the titled GVW of the tow vehicle is subject to fines based on the weight exceeding the titled weight.You better hope that the citing officer in a stupid,generous and happy mood.Oh and it's up to his disgression what constitudes a safe amont of flammable liquid being transported other than whats in your fuel tanks:See Pa. placard regulations and thru tunnel travel as well as permissable containers for transport.This crap reads like the 10,000 commandments with Abraham Pife interpeting the laws of Harrisburg  
If that is really the case then that tells me to stay out of PA.
Russ
The weight limit on trailers (it's actually at 10,001lbs that you require a CDL) is a federal law, not state. Call any trailer place and ask them. That is why you will see many trailers rated at 9,999.
The only way around it is to tow with a vehicle registered as a motor home. Then, as Bob said, you can do just about anything that you want.
My brother's RV and trailer are over 33,000lbs. It has air brakes. He needs no special license since it's registered as a motor home.
If you tow with a truck, the limit applies.
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Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
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12/17/09 10:14 PM
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I did learn a monkey can drive a 40' motorcoach
So true, buy a huge motorhome and your go to go. lol Crazy 
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Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
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12/17/09 10:32 PM
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For those of us in FL, I spoke to Lt Morris at the Tallahasee DOT field office today, as well as Debra at the DOT CDL help desk. I now have both their numbers in my ongoing and growing glove box file, lol.
Both of them agreed that as long as this is a hobby, there is no CDL or DOT number needed, and there is no need to stop at a weight station. You are required to stop at the ag station leaving or entering the state. Their definition of it being a hobby is that I do this occasionally for fun and it is not run as a business with deductions for expense. They were both aware of the possibility of prize money.
Debra is actually a racer and laughed at the possibility of me showing a profit like a business would and should.
They both flat out said that my vehicle is an RV, and not subject to DOT CMV compliance.
The conversation was based off of my truck and trailer, a 2005 Dodge dually and a 48' Pace with living quarters. My GVW is 12,200tk and 18,500tr for a CGVW of 30,700. My trailer is not lettered and it is tagged as a trailer, not an RV. Both trailer and truck are registered to me and not a business.
Down here in PBC, I have been given a few, and beat them, once I started to plead no contest, until they told me I had to pay court cost, which added up to $323. I believe they just want to show numbers, so they just write, even if their wrong.  DOT SUCKS 
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Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
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12/18/09 12:23 AM
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Although some may take comfort in the what Fla says are the rules, the problem is Fla is not following the letter of the law, one day they will wake up and do so, be likely just like PA, not that I agree with the law. We need to be careful in asking for a nationwide DOT level playing field, that would be the very last straw in any "states rights" concept. Suprised nobody has comment on my very easy suggestion of getting the arbitrary 10,001lb threshold raised to say 17K, would likely help 50% of the trucks on the road, wouldn't me, but it would a lot of others. And then after a couple of years of proof DOT is a waste and hassle raise the threshold again. What special magic occurs at 10,0001lb anyway? And since the only way change will happen is to contact the lawmakers, anybody fax the committee about mandatory onboard recorders? I did. 
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
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12/18/09 01:03 AM
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just make sure your dualie is tagged for the weight with trailer and not just the truck. it also should be under 26,000 total.not saying you won't get a cop that will write you but if your ever stopped he can't penalize you for under tagging. in NJ they let you choose the weight. I tagged my extended 4x4 at 5500 .for it tolls to cross the bridge into Philly are 4.00 above 7,000 lb(dualies) are 12.00. but a bus only pays 6.00 
Thats the problem... here in Mich, I get 1 plate
for my pick up unless you go commercial... then I
have to watch out when going interstate... fortunately
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Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
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12/18/09 08:03 AM
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In Tennessee, non-commercial trailers are not even tagged. That's right. No tags on my enclosed car hauler, open car hauler, boat trailer, bike trailer, etc. Ask yourself...........how do you prove ownership without any type of registration papers from the state?
What happens when you go out of state?
Super question. I haven't had any problem yet, but I plan on a trip to Imlay City Michigan next year, and I may be finding out.
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Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
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12/18/09 08:16 AM
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On second thought, after just now hearing on CNN that Michigan is so broke that they will be repairing the roads with gravel instead of ashphalt, I may have to rethink seeing the grandkids with the hot rod.
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Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
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12/18/09 09:15 AM
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just make sure your dualie is tagged for the weight with trailer and not just the truck. it also should be under 26,000 total.not saying you won't get a cop that will write you but if your ever stopped he can't penalize you for under tagging. in NJ they let you choose the weight. I tagged my extended 4x4 at 5500 .for it tolls to cross the bridge into Philly are 4.00 above 7,000 lb(dualies) are 12.00. but a bus only pays 6.00
Fred: My short bed Mega Cab dualie is registered as a combination plate in CT and the GVW is I believe 10,400 lbs. My 28 foot Southwest Expressline trailer is tagged by the manufacuter at 9500 lbs. I have no plans to change the trailer as it keeps me away from the 10,001 weight rule. Also, I talked to the dept. of motor vehicles and there is no way on the registration of my vehicle to add the combination weight. So I guess I need to stay out of Pa. as well.
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Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
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12/18/09 09:54 AM
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Although some may take comfort in the what Fla says are the rules, the problem is Fla is not following the letter of the law, one day they will wake up and do so, be likely just like PA, not that I agree with the law.
How do you figure that? My trailer does have living 1/4's. It meets the requirements for an RV. Maybe if it didn't have living 1/4's it would not, but why would you need a 48' trailer to haul a car?
Florida statute 320.01 (b) a recreational vehicle type unit primarily designed as temporary living 1/4's for recreational, camping, or travel use. Recreational vehicle-type units, when traveling on the public roadways of this state, must complly with the length and width provisions of s. 316.515, as that section may hereafter be amended. As defined below, the basic entities are:
(8) The "fith wheel trailer" which is a vehicular unit mounted on wheels, designed to provided temporary living 1/4's for rec, camping, or travel use, of such size and weight as to not require a special highway movement permit, of gross trailer area not to exceed 400 square feet in the setup mode, and designed to be towed by a motorized vehicle that contains a towing mechanism that is mounted above or forward of the tow vehicles rear axle.
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My trailer is 384 square feet gross, and while a gooseneck, is towed by the definition of their hitch.
The same officer told me that if I put the same weight behind my truck with a bulldozer that I had better have the proper CDL/DOT stuff.
You may also note that FL has a special provision for race car trailer exemption in 320.01 (26). You guys can look it up, I'm tired of typing, lol.
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Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
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12/18/09 10:02 AM
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In Tennessee, non-commercial trailers are not even tagged. That's right. No tags on my enclosed car hauler, open car hauler, boat trailer, bike trailer, etc. Ask yourself...........how do you prove ownership without any type of registration papers from the state?
What happens when you go out of state?
Super question. I haven't had any problem yet, but I plan on a trip to Imlay City Michigan next year, and I may be finding out.
You have to abide by the laws of the state you are towing through.
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Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
[Re: The Duster]
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Is it just me, or should the truck plate cover the weight it carries, and the trailer plate cover it's weight. No adding them together to pay twice for the trailers weight. My
If I'm using common sense, then accept my apologies. If I'm off, then
In Florida, as long as it's a private truck and not a cab/chassis, that is correct. There is not a weight pull limit on a pickup truck license plate, only a GVW.
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Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
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Is it just me, or should the truck plate cover the weight it carries, and the trailer plate cover it's weight. No adding them together to pay twice for the trailers weight. My
If I'm using common sense, then accept my apologies. If I'm off, then
In PA, if the trailer is over 10,001 the plate of the truck has to cover the weight of both. Its called registering "in combination".
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Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
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In Tennessee, non-commercial trailers are not even tagged. That's right. No tags on my enclosed car hauler, open car hauler, boat trailer, bike trailer, etc. Ask yourself...........how do you prove ownership without any type of registration papers from the state?
What happens when you go out of state?
Super question. I haven't had any problem yet, but I plan on a trip to Imlay City Michigan next year, and I may be finding out.
You have to abide by the laws of the state you are towing through.
Not completely correct. If that state has no tag, he cannot comply with a state that would require a tag.
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Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
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In Tennessee, non-commercial trailers are not even tagged. That's right. No tags on my enclosed car hauler, open car hauler, boat trailer, bike trailer, etc. Ask yourself...........how do you prove ownership without any type of registration papers from the state?
What happens when you go out of state?
Super question. I haven't had any problem yet, but I plan on a trip to Imlay City Michigan next year, and I may be finding out.
You have to abide by the laws of the state you are towing through.
Not completely correct. If that state has no tag, he cannot comply with a state that would require a tag.
Obviously if his state doesn't issue them he can't bet ticketed for it, but you can be ticketed in PA for things such as dark window tint, even if it is legal in the state you came from.
I remember some years ago all of the pro NHRA teams were stopped at the CA border because CA didn't permit trailers that were either as high as they were, or as long. One or the other.
It took a call from the NHRA president to the governor of CA, threatening to have to cancel the racing events (and tax for the state loss) to have an exemption made.
Those trailers were legal in other states, but not CA (imagine that  ).
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