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what WILL it run vs. what COULD it run? #546047
12/05/09 03:50 PM
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Been thinking about my ongoing pickup project... curious what it's going to run when I can get the final stuff together to get it to the drag strip.

I've got a '54 1/2T; completely original truck with an engine swap and (in progress) front disk brake swap. Probably weighs about 3800-4000#; nothing's been removed except for the inner fenders. Still has the stock 4.10 one-legger time bomb out back... for now. 235/75/15 plain ol' radial tires.

The engine is a '68 383, bored .030; 440 Source 4.25" stroker kit with 20cc dished pistons. OOTB Source heads. Engle street roller (299 deg on the seat, 262 @ .050; .394" lobe lift; ground on 108, installed on 105), 1.7 Harland Sharp rockers, and M1 tunnel ram w/ 770 CFM AVS carbs. Quench is .042"; CR should fall around 9.5:1. Headers are 1-5/8"-1-3/4" stepped, 34" long w/ 3" collectors (were made for a 383 inch 383); are small but here to stay. Exhaust has 3" cutouts, and then drops to 2.5" to hemi mufflers in the back.

The trans is a 727 that was put together with selected stock type parts and a non-LBA reverse manual VB. The convertor is something I traded an intake for; it had "4000" written on it... it's a small-bowl mopar that's had something done inside to loosen it up. I guess it'd be sold as a 3-4000 stall convertor.

The combo seems to drive pretty well on the street, apart from being noisy (both exhaust note and valvetrain). Still working on part-throttle tuning, but it seems to idle clean and have good throttle response.

So, here's the first question: without making any real changes other than tuning (and perhaps replacing the rear axle assy w/ something stronger), what do you guys expect from it?

And part 2: how much ET am I leaving on the table with cam, convertor and minor head porting?

The rocker arms I bought were advertised as being 1.6, with offset for MW size port. They're actually 1.7:1 (according to Harland Sharp, who inspected one) and offset .350". I plan on having the pushrod pinch welded on the outside to allow for some porting; am not really keen on throwing away the 2.19" valves for larger ones, since they only have a few hours of run time on 'em. But could do so if it were going to make a significant difference.

Plans are to change head gasket to get quench distance <.035, and mill the heads down to get compression up to 10.5+.

I'm not married to the cam that's in there now; it does what I wanted it to do (run okay and not require a ton of valvespring load), but would be willing to replace it. I'm not interested in cam lobes that require super-heavy springs that will shorten component life.

The convertor is probably going to get replaced someday if I chase timeslips... probably a gain to be had there.

Seeing how fast some of the F.A.S.T. cars go with manifolds and G70-14 polyglas tires, I'd like to be able make this hog run faster than people would expect a stupid old farm truck on 235 street radials to go.

Suggestions? Projections?

-Bill

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Re: what WILL it run vs. what COULD it run? [Re: thecarfarmer] #546048
12/05/09 04:02 PM
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The tires and rear end will really limit you... If it doesnt absolutely demolish the tire/s with a 4000 stall converter, something is majorly wrong.

Dont let the moniker fool you, the competitive FAST cars like Dudeks, are purpose built racecars.


No offense intended at all, but I think it probably will run 14's boiling the hides... When it could run 11's if it left really hard and hooked..

Last edited by topfueldart; 12/05/09 04:06 PM.

11.48 @ 120 with a 1.80 60' 318, stock 1.88 heads, stock 904, Pump Gas, 13 lbs of boost.

9.94 @ 134, 318 on pump gas, 14 lbs w/ Eddies, transbrake 727, 3600 lbs, 3.54 gear and 28's.
Re: what WILL it run vs. what COULD it run? [Re: topfueldart] #546049
12/05/09 05:55 PM
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No offense taken. Oh, and, I can get wheelspin from a 30 mph roll in high gear, just stabbing the gas. So, hopefully that's not majorly wrong.

Yep, a F.A.S.T. race car is, indeed, a race car. My pickup is a street car - way different animal. It will putt around on pump gas all day, and never foul a plug or load up.

I'm not saying my silly old pickup = racecar; what I am saying is that there are some guys out there who've figured out suspension and convertor combos to get a big car with a big engine and small tire to launch harder than you'd think it would.

I don't expect it's going to do mid-elevens as it sits (I still live on planet Earth); I'd just like it to be able to surprise the hell out of folks. And am trolling for ideas toward that end.

But, I'll go out on a limb here, and bet Topfueldart here a Red Robin cheesburger that IF I can get this truck to the track this summer (divorce and child support conspiring to BONE me financially), that it WILL run sub 14.00 without anything but jets and timing (oh, and some minor safety stuff like seat belts).

By the way, TFD, I'm partial to the one with the big slice of chili pepper on top. And some garlic fries!

-Bill

ps: one more pic of the weak-kneed 'fourteen second' powerplant...

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