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Re: 340 wouldn't seat to 833 [Re: jahsh] #543019
12/02/09 07:40 PM
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Hey Bud i have serviced many manual trans clutches on import and mustangs ,and mopars i have found even with the correct alignment tool they can be stuborn to get seated the way i do it and it works 99.9% of the time if you have checked everything else as it seams you have .
Have a helper rotate the engine from the front crank bolt with a ratchet while you push the trans in and wigle it up and down verticaly as you are pushing . also two home made studs installed in the bell housing to trans will help big time with this process . cj

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Re: 340 wouldn't seat to 833 [Re: jahsh] #543020
12/02/09 11:17 PM
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Also you may want to check to make sure old pilot bushing isn't still on the output shaft of the tranny. Did you replace the pilot bushing ? Do you remember seeing the old one ? I have seen that a couple times. And it won't look real obvious. Tap it with a punch, if it marks, I'd say the bushing is still on the shaft. Good luck.




Good thought, but unfortunately not the case - my guess is that the hyd TOB wouldn't even slide onto the output shaft if the bearing got dislodged from the engine and stuck onto the shaft.

A slightly off alignment could still be the issue, but that plastic alignment tool sure fits in there perfectly.




just realized you have a HYD. throwout bearing , you are screwed , can't slightly disengage the clutch wit ha prybar ...

And again , just beacuse that little plastic tool fits in there does not mean it's perfectly aligned , especially if the bellhousing is a little off center .

Re: 340 wouldn't seat to 833 [Re: JohnRR] #543021
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ANY chance you have the disc in backwards?,it does happen

Re: 340 wouldn't seat to 833 [Re: rhad] #543022
12/03/09 12:59 PM
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ANY chance you have the disc in backwards?,it does happen




McCloud is good enough to put a sticker to make sure you don't do that - also made sure that the sticker wasn't put on wrong. =)

Re: 340 wouldn't seat to 833 [Re: jahsh] #543023
12/03/09 01:14 PM
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I had a bunch of trouble with mine at first. But mine is a McLeod dual disc RST version, and not much room to put the trans in an A body. Anyways, I used the plastic alignment tool and thought all was well. I was very careful to get it nice and centered, as best I could tell.

Couldn't get the trans in at all....same thing as you have noticed.

I ended up putting a spare input shaft that my dad had, in there. Result,...not lined up good enough. You could tell that because the actual direct gear on that input shaft was off center to the bellhousing center.

Used the input shaft to re align the clutch and it worked perfect.

Re: 340 wouldn't seat to 833 [Re: jahsh] #543024
12/03/09 01:18 PM
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Well with a little more info/facts as to what you have, and have changed out,....adding a hyd. throwout bearing, do you know what your "stack"(hyd TOB) assy height is compressed and static?, and what is required for your application,....most hyd TOB assys, unless designed for your application, usually need to be shimmed for location, so that they don't cause interference fit problems, or lack of proper disengagement,.....who's hyd set up are you using?....is it a true hyd TOB?, or are you using a slave cyl. to activate the mechanical fork?.......

Re: 340 wouldn't seat to 833 [Re: jahsh] #543025
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Is it easier to just pull the tranny and install them together?





Are you saying that the trans is in the car and you are trying to drop in the engine and mate up with the trans? If so then much of the advise given so far is meaningless. It is very difficult to do this way because you can't wiggle and rotate the trans. I would just pull out the trans and mount it to the bellhousing outside the car and drop it all in at once.


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Re: 340 wouldn't seat to 833 [Re: GomangoCuda] #543026
12/03/09 05:04 PM
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I've found the plastic tool only gets you close. loosen the pressure plate to flywheel bolts (all of them) with the transmission almost in place. This was all I've ever needed to do.

I also made some installation bolts by cutting the head off some shoulder bolts to guide/support the tranny during installation.

Re: 340 wouldn't seat to 833 [Re: GomangoCuda] #543027
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IT'S IN!! Thanks to all for the help. Can't say I did anything other than try harder and have a few more hefty guys pushing.

Tomorrow...install the TTIs.

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