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Re: 340 wouldn't seat to 833
[Re: DAYCLONA]
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12/02/09 12:10 PM
12/02/09 12:10 PM
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Glendale, AZ
69L78Nova
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Are you running a stock bell or a shield? I had a Lakewood that was about an inch off until it was dialed in
1969 Nova
454/M21/3.31
Mild mid-11 second weekend cruiser
1994 F150 XLT Super Cab 2WD
5.0/4R70W/3.55
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Re: 340 wouldn't seat to 833
[Re: jahsh]
#543005
12/02/09 01:18 PM
12/02/09 01:18 PM
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Upper Midwest
MoparforLife
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Make sure that the input shaft fits into the pilot bushing and also measure the length of the input shaft tip and the depth of the pilot and hub on the crankshaft. have seeninstances where the input shaft tip had to be trimmed from butting up against the crankshaft and not allowing the transmission to fit up to the belhousing.
Clean it, if it's Dirty. Oil it, if it Squeaks.
But: Don't fix it, if it Works!
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Re: 340 wouldn't seat to 833
[Re: Dave Watt]
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12/02/09 01:35 PM
12/02/09 01:35 PM
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Sacramento, CA
jahsh
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Check the diameter of the input bearing retainer compared to the diameter of the bellhousing bore for the retainer. There are two different size retainers if I remember correctly.
Thanks again to all the replies....
Diameters have been checked, and it's the same retainer and input shaft as what worked just fine when the motor was previously installed.
It is a new clutch (McCloud), but we made sure to check the teath on the plate against the input shaft before we installed the clutch on the flywheel - fit like a champ.
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Re: 340 wouldn't seat to 833
[Re: MoparforLife]
#543008
12/02/09 01:36 PM
12/02/09 01:36 PM
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Cincinnati, OH
6T6Cuda
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Make sure that the input shaft fits into the pilot bushing and also measure the length of the input shaft tip and the depth of the pilot and hub on the crankshaft. have seeninstances where the input shaft tip had to be trimmed from butting up against the crankshaft and not allowing the transmission to fit up to the belhousing.
Check this, some autos were not drilled out all the way...
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Re: 340 wouldn't seat to 833
[Re: 6T6Cuda]
#543009
12/02/09 02:12 PM
12/02/09 02:12 PM
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Jasper, Indiana
fastnos
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We sent 3 hours yesterday and could only get it about 1/2 from being seated fully. We were putting so much force without it going in, that we were worried something was wrong - it was also then dark outside. Pulled it back out and everything seems fine - no gnarled teeth on either side. This engine and tranny has even been together before.
Is it really just that difficult? Is it easier to just pull the tranny and install them together?
Since you said you've had this engine and trans together before, I can only think of 2 things that might help.
1) You say with a clutch aligning tool it is right? Try putting it back in and moving the clutch fork in and out while moving the back of the tool, or old input shaft. It might be off just enough that with the weight on the back of the trans, it's just a few mm's off-enough to give you fits!
2) When I try to stuff a A-833 in, I get under neath with my knees and both hands on the trans, pushing and wiggling it forward, even turning it clockwise and counter-clockwise while pushing it towards the front of the vehicle. I alway have it locked in 1st gear while wiggling it. It's a heavy beast, so supporting it with both knees and hands helps it get stuffed in while wiggling it.
One other thing, what new parts (besides the clutch plate) did you use since the last time the engine and trans was together?
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Re: 340 wouldn't seat to 833
[Re: fastnos]
#543010
12/02/09 02:52 PM
12/02/09 02:52 PM
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Sacramento, CA
jahsh
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One other thing, what new parts (besides the clutch plate) did you use since the last time the engine and trans was together?
Just a new clutch. Also putting a Hyd. TOB in, but double checked when the engine was attempted to go it, nothing was hitting that. Both the input shaft and the bearing are both the same as what was before.
Thanks for the other two tips. In the end, I think it's going to be a question of - try it again, or pull the tranny and install together.
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Re: 340 wouldn't seat to 833
[Re: jahsh]
#543011
12/02/09 03:20 PM
12/02/09 03:20 PM
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Ohio
64dodge572
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One other thing, what new parts (besides the clutch plate) did you use since the last time the engine and trans was together?
Just a new clutch. Also putting a Hyd. TOB in, but double checked when the engine was attempted to go it, nothing was hitting that. Both the input shaft and the bearing are both the same as what was before.
Thanks for the other two tips. In the end, I think it's going to be a question of - try it again, or pull the tranny and install together.
Is there enough room between the fingers on the pressure plate and the bearing retainer? Sounds to me like this could be the problem.
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Re: 340 wouldn't seat to 833
[Re: 64dodge572]
#543012
12/02/09 03:28 PM
12/02/09 03:28 PM
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Tustin, CA
pishta
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I just pulled a 318/904 out of a 69 Cuda together and wondered WHY I never did this as a unit until today. Easy as pie, remove the radiator and cross member and grab it between the carb and trans for a somewhat balanced assy. I have always done it the "hard" way and this is WAY easier. Makes mating the 2 on the floor very easy too.
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Re: 340 wouldn't seat to 833
[Re: buildanother]
#543013
12/02/09 03:34 PM
12/02/09 03:34 PM
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A gulag near you.
JohnRR
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It sometimes helps if you disengage clutch with prybar etc, if it's that close to going in, just incase the clutch is not quite centered.
I second this , just because you THINK it's aligned properly it still may not be , I've done this many times before . Also it might be easier to install some long 7/16 bolts with the heads cut off in the top two trans mounting holes to help guide it straight in .
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Re: 340 wouldn't seat to 833
[Re: JohnRR]
#543014
12/02/09 04:04 PM
12/02/09 04:04 PM
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Gilbertsville, PA 19525
Pntastar69
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Also it might be easier to install some long 7/16 bolts with the heads cut off in the top two trans mounting holes to help guide it straight in .
Had to do that w/mine, no issues since.
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Re: 340 wouldn't seat to 833
[Re: Scatpak]
#543017
12/02/09 06:27 PM
12/02/09 06:27 PM
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Sacramento, CA
jahsh
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Also you may want to check to make sure old pilot bushing isn't still on the output shaft of the tranny. Did you replace the pilot bushing ? Do you remember seeing the old one ? I have seen that a couple times. And it won't look real obvious. Tap it with a punch, if it marks, I'd say the bushing is still on the shaft. Good luck.
Good thought, but unfortunately not the case - my guess is that the hyd TOB wouldn't even slide onto the output shaft if the bearing got dislodged from the engine and stuck onto the shaft.
A slightly off alignment could still be the issue, but that plastic alignment tool sure fits in there perfectly.
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Re: 340 wouldn't seat to 833
[Re: JohnRR]
#543018
12/02/09 06:30 PM
12/02/09 06:30 PM
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closer to Canadian beer!
torkrules
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It sometimes helps if you disengage clutch with prybar etc, if it's that close to going in, just incase the clutch is not quite centered.
I second this , just because you THINK it's aligned properly it still may not be , I've done this many times before . Also it might be easier to install some long 7/16 bolts with the heads cut off in the top two trans mounting holes to help guide it straight in .
I third this. Happened to me. Once I loosened the pressure plate bolts slightly it slid right in.
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