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Re: Duster Carnage Pics..... Makes me sick....340 4 speed [Re: deaks] #537793
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Re: Duster Carnage Pics..... Makes me sick....340 4 speed [Re: blown572dart] #537794
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Re: Duster Carnage Pics..... Makes me sick....340 4 speed [Re: B1KILLER] #537795
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A similar thing happened to me back in the 70's. First gear galled on the shaft as I shifted into 4th gear at over 100 mph. The tranny and drive shaft looked like yours. It even took all the teeth off the ring and pinion gear. I suggest you check your rear end. It got may attention real quick as my hand was still on the shifter as it almost disappeared down below the floorboard.

I hope it doesn't cost an arm and a leg to get the car back on the strip. You REALLY NEED an SFI bellhousing.

Raul

Re: Duster Carnage Pics..... Makes me sick....340 4 speed [Re: DemonDust] #537796
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Race or Street Why no scattersheid ? Sorry for ur loss but legs are important.

Re: Duster Carnage Pics..... Makes me sick....340 4 speed [Re: Aspen7695] #537797
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A similar thing happened to me back in the 70's. First gear galled on the shaft as I shifted into 4th gear at over 100 mph. The tranny and drive shaft looked like yours. It even took all the teeth off the ring and pinion gear. I suggest you check your rear end. It got may attention real quick as my hand was still on the shifter as it almost disappeared down below the floorboard.

I hope it doesn't cost an arm and a leg to get the car back on the strip. You REALLY NEED an SFI bellhousing.

Raul



reminds me of my z28 back in high school...i stuck it in reverse at speed...with 2 (football sized players)friends in back seat.
it the shifter handle stayed in my hand the rest of the trans..proceeded to shread my trans tunnel..like a horror movie..
it fell out of the car and i ran over it..
i still had the shifter in my hand..lol...
broke the block just like yours did..

your lucky the car didnt wreck...
it bruised our star football players foot...he couldnt walk/play for 2 weeks...fwiw
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Re: Duster Carnage Pics..... Makes me sick....340 4 speed [Re: DemonDust] #537798
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Looks like driveshaft to me.
failed and took out rest of components in order.
snapped tail, then case, bell and block.
good example as to why they put supports on lower half of bellhousing to block.
once that shaft goes its done, a place not to skimp.
1350 joints, forged yokes and moly tube, even that is not fore sure.
I'd be more sick from thinking about that factory bell failing.
Sorry for your loss.

Re: Duster Carnage Pics..... Makes me sick....340 4 speed [Re: sleepyhead416] #537799
11/27/09 11:24 AM
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Race or Street Why no scattersheid ? Sorry for ur loss but legs are important.




The reason I didn't have a lakewood on here was because it's maybe a 450 hp car. I know alot more people with higher hp SB still running stock bells.

I wonder if it was a cast iron case if it would have made a difference???


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Re: Duster Carnage Pics..... Makes me sick....340 4 speed [Re: 6T6Cuda] #537800
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I'd have to assume that something locked up in the trans ro spin it on the bellhousing and break the ears like that. I'll be interested to see what the inside looks like. Bummer!




It looks like the trans got jammed up by going into both 2 and 3 gears (there is a lockout on the housing that is "suposeto" prevent this). With the extra power it just did not break loose, A broken fork (between the 1-2) may have cause it not to get out of gear.

Once the trans locked up hard, the weight of the car and the momentum, just twisted the entire engine / tras until something had to give; unfortunately the parts were so equal, a lot gave...

Look at the direction of the twist on the drive shaft, I bet it is not clockwise (going forward) it is ccw (because the wheels were driving against a stopped load)

Be careful taking the tras apart and do some good careful looking to get to the root cause, but that is crazy...



Re: Duster Carnage Pics..... Makes me sick....340 4 speed [Re: DemonDust] #537801
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have seen the cast tails fail also, tho not the case but i havent seen it all by far.
1st time I saw a block lose an ear tho, agree it is repairable.
how does the crank and rear main area look?

Re: Duster Carnage Pics..... Makes me sick....340 4 speed [Re: theclutcher] #537802
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I had a clutch come apart and locked up the rear causing the driveshaft to fail. It also broke one ear on the tranny and bottom ear on the block. In this case I was in the top of 4th and pushed the clutch in to take it out of gear. (won't do that again lol)

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Re: Duster Carnage Pics..... Makes me sick....340 4 speed [Re: gearjammerdart] #537803
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The back of the crank has no damage. The clutch isn't broke either.Flywheel bolts are all in tact.


Some one asked about the floor, there is only a small dent right where the sheetmetal on the floor goes up over the rear.

Here's a pic you can kinda see....



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Re: Duster Carnage Pics..... Makes me sick....340 4 speed [Re: DemonDust] #537804
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was that 18 spline internals?
wondering just what failed, keep us up to date.

Re: Duster Carnage Pics..... Makes me sick....340 4 speed [Re: theclutcher] #537805
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was that 18 spline internals?
wondering just what failed, keep us up to date.





No just 23 spline, it was only a mild build

I'll probably take the trans apart next week, see whats in there

The rear looks good too except for it snapped 3 of the 4 heads right off the bolts that hold the u joint straps on....



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Re: Duster Carnage Pics..... Makes me sick....340 4 speed [Re: theclutcher] #537806
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I see todays racers are making the same mistake as those 40+ years ago did - no scatter shield. I was only stupid ( and darn lucky )once. Considerable more violent explosion than what you went through and still had all my digets ( but not much else )at the end of the track. BTW, had similar block damage and was able to have it repaired.


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Re: Duster Carnage Pics..... Makes me sick....340 4 speed [Re: DemonDust] #537807
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Race or Street Why no scattersheid ? Sorry for ur loss but legs are important.




The reason I didn't have a lakewood on here was because it's maybe a 450 hp car. I know alot more people with higher hp SB still running stock bells.

I wonder if it was a cast iron case if it would have made a difference???




I am going to say no...I had a similar incident in my valiant when I broke a shift fork and went for 3rd gear and then all hell broke loose. My bell broke right where yours did near the opening for the clutch fork. It snapped the ears off of the trans case (cast iron) just like yours did. Talk about !

Did that trans have steel shift forks?

ps...so what does the shifter handle look like?

Re: Duster Carnage Pics..... Makes me sick....340 4 speed [Re: Jeremiah] #537808
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Looking at the driveshaft I have to agree that the transmission locked up. The twist on the shaft is the wrong way. Sorry to see that. Quicktime makes some nice bellhousings for what it's worth. Completely off topic, but I notice your oil filter plate only has four holes. I feel it's worth it on any small block to drill four more in there.
Hope you can get it back on the road soon.

Re: Duster Carnage Pics..... Makes me sick....340 4 speed [Re: dodgeboy11] #537809
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Lets see now - A stickshift car with a factory stock driveshaft, factory stock bellhousing, assume you had a driveshaft loop ( in the right spot)at least, 200HP shot to a 400 ( at minimum ) HP 340? Sorry for your breakage, but you had it commin. Consider yourself lucky and take a wise-up pill!


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Re: Duster Carnage Pics..... Makes me sick....340 4 sp [Re: Crizila] #537810
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I have seen this exact thing before but the iron case and tail held up a little better.It also knocked the advance plate loose inside the distributor.Something else you might want to check along with the hub on the disc.If you need a small bearing case send me a PM The shipping will be higher than the price of the case
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Re: Duster Carnage Pics..... Makes me sick....340 4 sp [Re: fourgearsavoy] #537811
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I saw this on YB. I feel for you. It makes me sick looking at these pics too


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Re: Duster Carnage Pics..... Makes me sick....340 4 speed [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #537812
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Was that a numbers matching drive train that just got grenaded?



your joking right? .... anyways, that sucks man. glad you are ok. stuff like that can get ugly. good to see its not any worse. sorry for your loss.

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