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Re: BENCH RACING: 8-71 V.S. Procharger? [Re: moparniac] #518039
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procharger...... bigtimeauto runs one and is way faster than metalstorm and hits roots by like 2 seconds.....




Wow! Don't take any advice from this guy concerning superchargers. That is funny!




this is benchracing




So...in benchracing, one type of blower is better because the car is 2 seconds faster regardless of vehicle weight, boost, engine size, head design, etc? No offense....that sounds like what I hear when most ricers talk about their 18 second cars...a bunch of nonsense.

Re: BENCH RACING: 8-71 V.S. Procharger? [Re: Quicksilver440] #518040
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I think they both can make good power under the right circumstances. The roots look however is very cool.

I think the show car crowd has tarnished the roots blower for me. To many 12 second roots blown cars with spare tire sized blower pulleys lol.


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Re: BENCH RACING: 8-71 V.S. Procharger? [Re: Bad340fish] #518041
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Well on an old 392 hemi I would have to have a roots 8-71. On a modern hemi, a centrifugal seems right. On a small block or Viper, twin turbos seems right. They all make gobs of horsepower, so it's whatever floats your boat, right?

Re: BENCH RACING: 8-71 V.S. Procharger? [Re: blown572dart] #518042
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I would just go with a screw








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Re: BENCH RACING: 8-71 V.S. Procharger? [Re: Triple Threat] #518043
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I would just go with a screw








Here is your winner .....



OH SURE take the obvious.

Re: BENCH RACING: 8-71 V.S. Procharger? [Re: blown572dart] #518044
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I would just go with a screw








+1 but im kind of biased.

Re: BENCH RACING: 8-71 V.S. Procharger? [Re: Quicksilver440] #518045
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procharger...... bigtimeauto runs one and is way faster than metalstorm and hits roots by like 2 seconds.....




Wow! Don't take any advice from this guy concerning superchargers. That is funny!




this is benchracing




So...in benchracing, one type of blower is better because the car is 2 seconds faster regardless of vehicle weight, boost, engine size, head design, etc? No offense....that sounds like what I hear when most ricers talk about their 18 second cars...a bunch of nonsense.




As said, don't listen to anything he has to say about superchargers!

Re: BENCH RACING: 8-71 V.S. Procharger? [Re: 506RR] #518046
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Mopar Muscle has a writeup this month on this. Finally put mine on a few months back. I went with a BDS because of the low and mid range it produces. The feel off the line is it for me. If you never go to the track? Where will you be able to actually take advantage of a centrifugal one safely? They said the centrifugal ones work good in street cars especially ones that are traction limited because boost builds gradually. Traction is what I will deal with if need be. Right now it SEEMS ok? Once I drive it more we will see and push on it more. Traction was good with previous setup.

Re: BENCH RACING: 8-71 V.S. Procharger? [Re: blownzoom440] #518047
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I would just go with a screw








Here is your winner .....



OH SURE take the obvious.










Re: BENCH RACING: 8-71 V.S. Procharger? [Re: 62SAVOY] #518048
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WOW, tons of misinformation here i'm flattered!

Just buy what you want....... but there is no way a 6 0r 8/71 roots with carbs on gas will drive around a procharger on gas. Now a roots injected on alky well thats a whole different story.(so is that C rotor screw)

My street car:

3150lbs
NO intercooler
cheap Blow thru single 4150 carb
can drive it anywhere, we took it to lunch and a ride today as a matter of fact.
......it still has not made a full power pass yet


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Re: BENCH RACING: 8-71 V.S. Procharger? [Re: bigtimeauto] #518049
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WOW, tons of misinformation here i'm flattered!

Just buy what you want....... but there is no way a 6 0r 8/71 roots with carbs on gas will drive around a procharger on gas. Now a roots injected on alky well thats a whole different story.(so is that C rotor screw)

My street car:

3150lbs
NO intercooler
cheap Blow thru single 4150 carb
can drive it anywhere, we took it to lunch and a ride today as a matter of fact.
......it still has not made a full power pass yet




I didn't mean that roots is bettr...I was just questioning the logic of his question.

Big time...how much compression? Race gas? pump? How is drivability with the blow though? I've always wanted to do that....

Re: BENCH RACING: 8-71 V.S. Procharger? [Re: bigtimeauto] #518050
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Now on topic:

Roots on the street Pros:
positive displacement
great car show appeal
great WOW appeal driving down the road
cons:
Heavy
needs two carbs or ...
can't see past it with carbs and air filters
can't use a air to air intercooler
is way high and atrracts the wrong kind of attention
can only run low boost on pump fuel because of all of the heat it makes

Procharger on the street pro's:
no hood issues.
only need one 4150 carb
the cops can't see it
builds less heat
lighter than a roots
easier to package
can use your existing intake
intercooling does not impact your vision
can use a air to air intercooler
Cons:
hmmm none i can think of


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Re: BENCH RACING: 8-71 V.S. Procharger? [Re: Quicksilver440] #518051
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I didn't mean that roots is bettr...I was just questioning the logic of his question.
Big time...how much compression? Race gas? pump? How is drivability with the blow though? I've always wanted to do that....




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race or pump i adjust accordingly
great driveability (and i'm a DFI guy)
Heads are out of the box indy 440-1


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Re: BENCH RACING: 8-71 V.S. Procharger? [Re: prochargedhemi] #518052
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depends what kinda power you are looking for, with a 540 or 572 you could prly make 1000hp with a small d-series procharger, I personally like all there f-series blowers and would recommend an f-2 just so you have room to grow (since you know you'll want more)




I would agree. Stig Jr made just over 1000 hp with a D1X
The F2 is real nice and efficient design.

I am going to run the D1X on a wedge

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Re: BENCH RACING: 8-71 V.S. Procharger? [Re: bigtimeauto] #518053
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Now on topic:

Roots on the street Pros:
positive displacement
great car show appeal
great WOW appeal driving down the road
cons:
Heavy
needs two carbs or ...
can't see past it with carbs and air filters
can't use a air to air intercooler
is way high and atrracts the wrong kind of attention
can only run low boost on pump fuel because of all of the heat it makes

Procharger on the street pro's:
no hood issues.
only need one 4150 carb
the cops can't see it
builds less heat
lighter than a roots
easier to package
can use your existing intake
intercooling does not impact your vision
can use a air to air intercooler
Cons:
hmmm none i can think of



how much does the procharger complete weigh?
you are right i cant see past my blower.
a plus for me is a stock carb[s] will do.not boost referenced[race only]
my blower weighs 70lbs
intercooler 40+5 gall of water 40+lbs

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Re: BENCH RACING: 8-71 V.S. Procharger? [Re: bigtimeauto] #518054
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Now on topic:

Roots on the street Pros:
positive displacement
great car show appeal
great WOW appeal driving down the road
cons:
Heavy
needs two carbs or ...
can't see past it with carbs and air filters
can't use a air to air intercooler
is way high and atrracts the wrong kind of attention
can only run low boost on pump fuel because of all of the heat it makes

Procharger on the street pro's:
no hood issues.
only need one 4150 carb
the cops can't see it
builds less heat
lighter than a roots
easier to package
can use your existing intake
intercooling does not impact your vision
can use a air to air intercooler
Cons:
hmmm none i can think of




This is EXACTLY why for me..... Whats funny is some of you guys instantly think of fuel blowers for comparison... I seen way too many 11-12 second big blower cars and that just not for me is all.... Remember Denny Turza's or whatever his name was that ran Drag Week with the Big Roots Blown camaro.... He was out of competition like 10 miles after starting the event and WON the next year with a pro charger driving 1200 miles


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There is something absolutely feral about a Roots blower sticking up through the bonnet.


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Re: BENCH RACING: 8-71 V.S. Procharger? [Re: blownzoom440] #518057
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how much does the procharger complete weigh?
you are right i cant see past my blower.
a plus for me is a stock carb[s] will do.not boost referenced[race only]
my blower weighs 70lbs
intercooler 40+5 gall of water 40+lbs




My D1X procharger weights 22.5 lbs but that is without much oil in it,
My intercooler (including BOV) 31x 12 x 3.5 and weights in at 26.5 lbs

About 50lbs all together

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Re: BENCH RACING: 8-71 V.S. Procharger? [Re: Kam*Kuda] #518058
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dont forget about the brackets maybe about 15lbs.
then there is the weight of my rotors to turn and nose,that has got to be 35lbs.you can see some of the packaging advantages.

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