Interesting gear arrangement and it looks pro-shifted. Perhaps they offer different gear sets with traditional syncros?

video no workie

That has to be the race version from the look of the straight cut gears and faceplate engagement dogs.
Gus

Man. Too bad I already cut the scamp up for the tko-600. That thing looks bad.

I have known about this for a few weeks already prior to SEMA. The part that really upsets me is that the entire unit is made in Taiwan. That explains the 2300.00 price tag. I have to be honest with you though, I am more than scared looking at the gearset. Hasn't anyone noticed that the gears are VERY narrow. There is little room for load carrying capacity. I understand the bearing support on the cluster gear, However, that will not stop the teeth from wiping off. They say it will take 1000 lb ft of torque. I have heard Keisler state that the TKO will take 1400 lb ft or torque. However, we have seen these units break WELL below the 1000 mark. The thing that everyone is forgetting is... What kind of resistance was put behind the unit. If there is no resistance it should handle 10,000 lb ft of torque. NOW, put it in a 3600 lb car and lets see what happens...

I am not knocking it. I am just stating that physics is physics and we learned A LOT making the OD gearset as to what you need to make things survive. OH, and by the way, to my knowledge, there is no other gearset.

The other point, is... does this really looki like it is gonna fit in an A Body, or a front mount B Body? Just looking, I say no way... Any other input from people?

When I was speaking to Red, he really glossed over the "fitment" issue. He just said that the tail will fit all the Chrysler cars. I think that we all know that there are drastically different dimensions between the the main body styles. We shall see...

I don't know that I would rush out and buy one just yet...

I do welcome discussion on this topic.

Jamie

The picture of the gearset looks to me like the billet trap door and gearset out of a Harley 5 speed(not noted for smooth shifting in high hp apps), with narrow straight cut gears and the shift drum is mounted on top in similar fashion. Just an observation. As with anything there will more than likely be a big difference between a precision machined and built dyno tested prototype, and a mass produced offshore manufacured production unit. never know it might hold up well bolted between a stroker and some stickies.

I am very skeptical the depicted box in the linky will fit in the tunnel of an E body or a 68-70 B body. Being a bit older, maybe wiser now I will await the reports from the people who jump in and

get rather than get myself

Good luck...

In the meantime I will continue the yearly torture testing of the Passon Aluminum 4sp OD in my pos on the road course and the drag strip.

Wicked,
Its funny you say that. That is exactly what it is. I am just very skeptical as to fitment. Like I said, when I spoke to Red at McLeod, he didn't even know what I was talking about as to the different crossmember locations and shifter locations.
Lets look at the details,
What about shifter handles, More $$$
can you use a console?
trans mounts and crossmembers, More $$$
speedo cables, etc, more $$$
driveshaft length, more $$$

So, once again, the $2300 really isn't $2300 at all...

Just pointing out details that surface once you start to try to put it in the car.

I don't think that all McLeod stuff is junk. I am a distributor for their clutches. I only offer certain ones though because they are made in California still. Their lower line is Chinese. I won't handle them. It is terribly frustrating to see this. I know that we have the ability to do this stuff here. It seems like everyone just goes to China. Kills me. It is the trickle down effect.
Jamie

Richard,
My apologies, It wasn't a dig on you guys. I was trying to make a point that I really doubt the torque rating on this McLeod thing.

I hear you Jamie, I made sure my clutch was made here in the USA from McLeod, and any of my parts for my trans are from you, so I know they are from here as well.

No worries. I didn't take your response as a dig to us, I just wanted to make sure no one reading this took it the wrong way.

If they go back and look at my past posts, I have had nothing but good things to say about you and your transmissions and I have always seen your opinions to be very informative and upbeat.





Richard
Tech Support

Other than custom stuff like Viper 6 Speeds, Richmond 5 speeds, etc. Right now we basically have 3 choices for a steetable OD manual trans: Passon, Kiesler, and Gear Vendor.

All of them have thier good and bad points, the reasons people choose one over the other often comes down to nothing more than personal choice. I wouldn't mind seeing another choice come into the market, it will likely have it's good and bad points as well but the price, even though bare bones, makes it look pretty good. Time will tell.

I saw the piece at SEMA and was told fitment in an A-body was no problem, so why would it be an issue in a B-body? Again, at SEMA, I was told there'd be 2 mounting points to accomodate people so again what's the problem? Most hotrodders nowadays have custom driveshafts built so AGAIN I don't see an issue. Now it being Chinese made I understand & agree with being concerned. As a consumer & someone not in the automotive industry I find it "intersting" that representatives from other companies are so quick to highlight its shortcomings when there hasn't even been published performance results on the thing. That's kinda like finding someone guilty before a trial......

I must have walked right by this thing.

No mention of it being a Mopar app that I saw.
Sure looks like it sticks out in spots where the floor is.
The shifter deal looks a bit funky, but boots should prevent and dirt issues.
Not happy with the import deal, but to the guy that said we buy because it's cheap, maybe it's more like buy that or nothing....
I sure won't be in the market for one in the near future, but I'm glad there is another choice. T oo many booths said that they do stuff, untill they saw my Mopar badge and shirt. I even had one guy say "Why don't you just go with an LS1 like everyone else?" I expect he drives a silver econobox and lives in a planned gated community...

I see your point. I am not trying to be a jerk. I am not pointing out the shortcomings. I am pointing out that it doesn't seem like it is gonna be able to fit where they say it is going to. Has anyone looked at how far above the trans the shifter mechanism is? There is NO WAY that is gonna fit without cutting the floor. I doubt that a console will fit over it either.

Well, I don't want to get a bad rap here. So, I will just wait and see what develops with it...
Jamie