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Re: 70 Challenger T/A - Engine Detailing - Whats correct?
[Re: Alaskan_TA]
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11/03/09 02:47 AM
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G-series drawing that has nothing to do with 1970 cars. The 1971 cars did not get built. 
Barry,
Wouldn't this be applicable to the N95 cars built after this engineering drawing date - since the 1970 N95 cars were what all 71 model cars got for emissions controls?
Also isn't the washer bottle on a 70 Model E-Body supposed to have a square corner. The one on the car looks like a 71 model?
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Re: 70 Challenger T/A - Engine Detailing - Whats correct?
[Re: bogusracer]
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11/05/09 03:09 PM
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G-series drawing that has nothing to do with 1970 cars. The 1971 cars did not get built.
Barry,
Wouldn't this be applicable to the N95 cars built after this engineering drawing date - since the 1970 N95 cars were what all 71 model cars got for emissions controls?
Also isn't the washer bottle on a 70 Model E-Body supposed to have a square corner. The one on the car looks like a 71 model?
Bogusracer
Yup - That is a '71 bottle, wrong battery cables, no paint on negative cable, spark plug wire holders or exhaust bolts...all minor things - easily corrected. Looks nice.
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Re: 70 Challenger T/A - Engine Detailing - Whats correct?
[Re: Troy]
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11/05/09 08:37 PM
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yup - That is a '71 bottle, wrong battery cables, no paint on negative cable, spark plug wire holders or exhaust bolts...all minor things - easily corrected. Looks nice.
 .......you might want to check your notes and try again because you just failed the "T/A 101" class. 
Really?
The 1970 Washer Bottle is a one year only piece. I have seen plenty of early '71's with leftover 70 parts but I have never seen a '70 with '71 parts (from the factory) on them. The over the counter washer bottle replacement would have been the '71 style. After almost 40 years a replacement bottle would look like the right age. All '70 E-Bodies I have or have seen (Including all my T/A's and AAR's have the 70 style washer bottle.
Galino Groovy started the foolish myth that smallblock negative cables were not on the engine when painted...more BS. I have loads of proof that they were on and painted.
Wire holders - I have seen both ways but the paint did not stick well on those. Most I have had were painted.
I agree with others that stated an engine color dipstick tube and black handle - on a 70. The 69 340's tube and stick were painted Blue - engine color.
Misc. Stuff I have found...
The distrbutor hold-downs are copper plated.
The fuel pumps were painted on the engine.
The loose washer (found on many untouched cars) under the intake bolt (which have a captive washer) are brass or copper.
T/A's used Organosol on the cowl and fenders. The cowls were masked off and not free-hand as on other e-bodies.
Most Trans-Am (only) cars have 2 plugs in the floor similar to the rubber-steel plugs for the rear shock towers in the trunk but about half the diameter. I have never seen these on anything other than a Trans-Am car.
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Re: 70 Challenger T/A - Engine Detailing - Whats correct?
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11/06/09 12:50 AM
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Troy,
BUT, I gotta question the battery cables. The positive cable has the common grey starter relay lead of the cable that's still avail today,,, Shouldn't it be a medium brown color and a dished lead ends ..
If I'm wrong I apologies in advance
Hi Bill, hope all is well. Both the positive and the negative cables are repops and your correct about the colors. If you take a original positive cable and lay it up against a assembline cable....there is a big difference. As for the negative cable, they do look closer however I believe in late 70 and on, one of the big differences in the negative cable is the end that bolts up to the head. There is a large rubber block at the end. It is about 3/4 long, sticks up about 3/16 and it goes all the way around the cable.
Here is a good picture of what I'm talking about on a low milage T/A....
The funny thing is all of the original T/As that I have seen all had this negative cable (with the big end on it) AND it was not painted on the engine.
I have seen many 340 4 bbl engines where the negative was painted....why not on the T/As....I don't know.
....there is nothing like driving my 1968 Hemi Dart around town and having people looking at you like you're nuts!!
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Re: 70 Challenger T/A - Engine Detailing - Whats correct?
[Re: FJ5_Fish]
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11/06/09 01:18 AM
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I'm a stranger to these topics and normally don't comment but there are other corrections needed that I see on almost every restored E body. Seems like these just get perpetuated (I have a DVD for $3.98 if you want to know what that word means)
So above experts with your diagrams, etc. why have you never commented on these details?? guess you want to get paid??? $16 for your piggy bank?? Can I just send you a DONATION in a white envelope? keep your DVD!
Wiper hose routing- return hose from reservoir always came back along the firewall, routed up through the black heavy firewall clip above the junction box, wrapped up and behind the wiper motor and then exited above the wiper motor through that small hole that's on the lip. I've seen this correctly done less than 5 times in years of looking at restored cars. What do you think that hole is for??
Heater hoses attached to inner fender??? that's fine for big blocks and small block A bodies, not cudas or challengers. small block E bodies heater hoses didn't attach to the inner fender. as I told a mopar car judge who pointed out my mistake of NOT attaching them to the inner fender, REFER TO THE SERVICE MANUAL, it's in there!! Why do you think the alternator bracket is so tall??
6 pak vaccuum hoses always S clipped to the fuel lines, all three of them. never see this correctly done. doesn't make sense to have the hoses flopping around?? they didn't!
engine wiring harness between alternator and horns always routed across and through the large black clip. again, can't have wires flopping around in there!
spark plug wire holders always painted, never white! Yikes!!!
I can't take anymore, back to my Mopar cave............
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Re: 70 Challenger T/A - Engine Detailing - Whats correct?
[Re: Troy]
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11/06/09 01:19 AM
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Here is a picture of the bottle that came out of my car....to be honest with you I still have it somewhere.
....there is nothing like driving my 1968 Hemi Dart around town and having people looking at you like you're nuts!!
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Re: 70 Challenger T/A - Engine Detailing - Whats correct?
[Re: Troy]
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11/06/09 01:23 AM
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....here's a good one, I love this car!! This is a very low milage T/A that I saw at Carlisle a few years ago. Very original....only a few things ever changed on it. Check out the washer bottle!!
....there is nothing like driving my 1968 Hemi Dart around town and having people looking at you like you're nuts!!
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Re: 70 Challenger T/A - Engine Detailing - Whats correct?
[Re: Troy]
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11/06/09 01:24 AM
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....same car, check out the Negative battery cable.
....there is nothing like driving my 1968 Hemi Dart around town and having people looking at you like you're nuts!!
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Re: 70 Challenger T/A - Engine Detailing - Whats correct?
[Re: wate]
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11/06/09 01:42 AM
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corrections needed that I see on almost every restored E body.
never
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looking at restored cars.
I picked out some bits of what you said. Never & always? So, were you actually there taking notes on every one of these cars as they were built? If so, why are you using "restored? cars for reference?
Some of us prefer using original cars for reference, but even then we know that cars were not always built exactly the same every time.
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Re: 70 Challenger T/A - Engine Detailing - Whats correct?
[Re: Alaskan_TA]
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Here is the next one...
"Galino Groovy started the foolish myth that smallblock negative cables were not on the engine when painted...more BS. I have loads of proof that they were on and painted."
OK....where is the proof?? I'm not saying that all 340 engines did or did not have painted ends. What I personality believe is the negative cables that DO NOT have the big rubber ends got painted AND the ones with the exposed ends did get painted. The reason is the ones that had the exposed ends were prone to corrosion so they painted them. Do I have any proof of this...no, but it does make sense and this is what I have seen.
I can say this, I have never seen a painted cable with the big rubber end, AND I have never seen a cable without the big rubber end not painted. But I also never saw every car that was ever made so....
Check you photos and see what you come up with. Pictures help...
Last edited by Troy; 11/06/09 03:00 AM.
....there is nothing like driving my 1968 Hemi Dart around town and having people looking at you like you're nuts!!
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