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Tips for RPM intake on driver #498754
10/16/09 04:50 PM
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Using new transportation, it has a RPM intake and 600 holley. No acceleration power, but does make idle vacuum. Will ride rough.


stock 360 with RPM intake, and 1" 4 hole spacer
600cfm VS holley
Summit Headers
3.55 gear
HEi, 12 inital 34 total, 10 in vac can

Passed CLT and compression test. No easy valve stem leaks.

Has to be manifold, no?

Re: Tips for RPM intake on driver [Re: mark7171] #498755
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On a well running 360 what else could it be?

Re: Tips for RPM intake on driver [Re: mark7171] #498756
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Using new transportation, it has a RPM intake and 600 holley. No acceleration power, but does make idle vacuum. Will ride rough.


stock 360 with RPM intake, and 1" 4 hole spacer
600cfm VS holley
Summit Headers
3.55 gear
HEi, 12 inital 34 total, 10 in vac can

Passed CLT and compression test. No easy valve stem leaks.

Has to be manifold, no?




First thing, dump the 4 hole spacer and see how
that works. Next you might have to dump the RPM
intake and run the standard Performer intake.
Do you know if the cam is bone stock or not?

If you want to keep the RPM intake, then I would
put in a cam to match it. Might need a 2000-2200 or
better stall converter.


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Re: Tips for RPM intake on driver [Re: mark7171] #498757
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Jets? What do the plugs look like?


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Re: Tips for RPM intake on driver [Re: mark7171] #498758
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dump the 1 inch spacer, that's going to create a bog..or a big dead spot. Also try moe timing.


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Re: Tips for RPM intake on driver [Re: Craig] #498759
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If you want to keep the 1" spacer, keep tuning the carb. What jets, squirter and pump cam do you have in it now? What are the plugs telling you?
The RPM and the 1" spacer are added plenum volume which means you may need more fuel than before these items were added.


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Re: Tips for RPM intake on driver [Re: YO7_A66] #498760
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Jets are #66 primary and the 600's sec plate. Set the underside secondary plate screw. 6.5 PV, Purple spring, accel coil 40k, and 7mm wires. Timming, and the curve is not the problem.

Tip Top engine, stock 360, 198o's cam and heads.
My understanding, a 360 cam is .410" lift, maybe?

Plugs are dark/carboned up and flaked. no oil.

I'm getting a bunch of gaskets, to swap a freind's Performer intake w/ 500cfm4 edelbrock topend, and try. The RPM intake is the culprit, maybe?

That intake is more for racing. Can the RPM be adpated for driving?

mill a 1/2" off the RPM intake top...no spacer...rich'n up for large air volume...idle at 1000 rpm...ideas?

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Re: Tips for RPM intake on driver [Re: mark7171] #498761
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The rpm intake is not the problem.
I would lose the spacer.It simply is'nt needed for you.
Make sure your power valve is in good working order.Make sure the choke is'nt staying on.
Make sure you have full throttle.
Is the vacuum secondary diaphram and spring working?
Check your float level.If all else fails try running 64 or 62 primary jets and see if it cleans up.
Your problem appears to be in the carb.Make sure it is working properly.Swap the edelbrock carb and see how it does.
Leave the intake.

Re: Tips for RPM intake on driver [Re: gch] #498762
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It's not the intake causing a problem. Tune is off,it goes back to the basics.

Re: Tips for RPM intake on driver [Re: goldmember] #498763
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Carb has 31 shooter,full choke release,wide open throttle,floats set up to bottom of sight threads. 4 jets sizes up or down won't do it. Engine makes idle vacuum, but disappears durring cruise fast.

A carb selected for the correct application has only so much it can do. Baseline for the carb size and application.

Basics....You basically got inital pump shot, then PV, and the created demand against secondary spring. The acceleration circuit is a balance between those and the timming curve.

If i use any position but the lightest pink multi cam, it bogs (even with more timming).

Re: Tips for RPM intake on driver [Re: gch] #498764
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The rpm intake is not the problem.
I would lose the spacer.It simply is'nt needed for you.
Make sure your power valve is in good working order.Make sure the choke is'nt staying on.
Make sure you have full throttle.
Is the vacuum secondary diaphram and spring working?
Check your float level.If all else fails try running 64 or 62 primary jets and see if it cleans up.
Your problem appears to be in the carb.Make sure it is working properly.Swap the edelbrock carb and see how it does.
Leave the intake.




On my winter beater I have the RPM intake on a 360 with a stock .410 cam and an edelbrock 600 cfm carb, and it pulls well from idle and has good low and mid range power for a 4x4.

Re: Tips for RPM intake on driver [Re: mk_] #498765
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What PV are you using?
Sec spring?

Timming advance curve? inital total @ what rpm ?

Could it be port mismatch ?

Thanks all. mark

Re: Tips for RPM intake on driver [Re: mark7171] #498766
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Carb has 31 shooter,full choke release,wide open throttle,floats set up to bottom of sight threads. 4 jets sizes up or down won't do it. Engine makes idle vacuum, but disappears durring cruise fast.

A carb selected for the correct application has only so much it can do. Baseline for the carb size and application.

Basics....You basically got inital pump shot, then PV, and the created demand against secondary spring. The acceleration circuit is a balance between those and the timming curve.

If i use any position but the lightest pink multi cam, it bogs (even with more timming).




31's are tooooo big. drop down to 28's as for jets I'd run 70's-74's and go from there.


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Re: Tips for RPM intake on driver [Re: Mr.Yuck] #498767
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so you mean you have 34 total with 10 deg of vacuum advance??? Where is you mecanical advance all in at!!
but more important
what cam and torque converter?? And at .050 numbers advertised means virtually nothing!!

Re: Tips for RPM intake on driver [Re: BDS871Cuda] #498768
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Using new transportation, it has a RPM intake and 600 holley. No acceleration power, but does make idle vacuum. Will ride rough.


stock 360 with RPM intake, and 1" 4 hole spacer
600cfm VS holley
Summit Headers
3.55 gear
HEi, 12 inital 34 total, 10 in vac can

Passed CLT and compression test. No easy valve stem leaks.

Has to be manifold, no?




First thing, dump the 4 hole spacer and see how
that works. Next you might have to dump the RPM
intake and run the standard Performer intake.
Do you know if the cam is bone stock or not?

If you want to keep the RPM intake, then I would
put in a cam to match it. Might need a 2000-2200 or
better stall converter.




it's not the intake unless you have some vaccuum leaks or something. I ran an RPM air gap year round on my old 360 (stock long block, comp XE262, headers) no problem. I'm running it now on my new 318 (9:1 comp, magnum heads, 208@.050 roller cam) and it pulls hard from idle on up.

both used an edelbrock 1406 carb. I'd focus on vaccuum leaks, or improper carb tuning.


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Re: Tips for RPM intake on driver [Re: mark7171] #498769
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Well,I'm not sure What you are saying about an HEI Unless You have some sort of home made distributor. Which could be the problem. But it isn't your intake. If I am wrong about what you mean by HEI then guarantee you get rid of the spacer and tune the carb. right and you will be surprised of the out come.

Re: Tips for RPM intake on driver [Re: LikarockCrusher] #498770
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Well,I'm not sure What you are saying about an HEI Unless You have some sort of home made distributor. Which could be the problem. But it isn't your intake. If I am wrong about what you mean by HEI then guarantee you get rid of the spacer and tune the carb. right and you will be surprised of the out come.




IIRC the DUI distributor is basically a GM HEI set up for a mopar app...


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Re: Tips for RPM intake on driver [Re: patrick] #498771
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Yeah, I Know but the way HEI was wrote alone I was afraid it was a home made job.







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