WHOA!!!! ....Problem has Been Solved...Finally!!!!!
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10/11/09 04:06 PM
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I have a post over on the General Board about my engine install yesterday but I need some Q&A with a problem I have encountered. First a brief rundown... The motor is a 383 BB out of a 65 Monoco that was totaled so a rescue was done. The motor went into my 66 Satellite yesterday and quite smoothly I might add. A month or so ago I was reading a post here about the Oil Pan for a C Body not being able to clear a B Body K frame. It was suggested to obtain the "402" oil pan", of which I did, and a different Oil Pickup that would work with the 402 Oil Pan. I did the swap earlier last week and it appeared to be fine. However, yesterday when I went to bolt up the Torque Converter to the Flex Plate, I experienced a sudden stop as I rotated the front Crank Bolt to turn the flex plate to align the bolt holes. The Torque Converter rotates fine so I know that is not the problem. And I can rotate the Crank 360 degrees either way but I will still get a sudden "thunk" and it will stop. By process of elimination I have narrowed it down to the Crank stopping on some thing in the Oil Pan area. I know this because with the C Body Oil Pan and Pick up installed originally on the motor, the Crank would turn freely with no sudden stopping. I would occasionally turn the motor a few cranks while it was in storage and never had this occurrence. Now I have it...this sudden stop.... since swapping out the C Body Oil Pick up for the B Body Oil Pick Up and 402 Oil Pan. My question then is kind of multi in scope... 1. What is the correct oil pick up for the 402 Oil Pan? 2. Is it possible that I have the incorrect B Body Oil Pick Up and it is binding or hitting one of the Crank Journals? Remember I did not have this issue with the C Body Set Up. 3. What else could it be? Now that the Motor has been installed, I will have to remove the Center Link to drop the Oil Pan to do a visual inspection. Not happy about that but I don't want to go through pulling the Motor again and that seems to be my only option to figure out what is taking place. And...This issue is mostly my doing as I neglected to OPs check my work while the Motor was on the stand which should have been done at that time. Isn't working on these MOPARS an on going thing??? OPINIONS and DISCUSSIONS Please.... Link to General Post: https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...e=0#Post5538507
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Re: WHOA!!!! Need some advise and opinions....
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10/11/09 06:16 PM
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Never messed with a big block, but wouldn't the factory pickup fit every B engine? It's not like the block or crank is any different. If the oil pan wasn't the right one for the pickup you'd think that it wouldn't even go together????
Don't feel bad, I put a Milodon windage tray on my smallblock and found out that it was a hair too wide and the outer end of the rod would touch it when the engine was rotated over. You couldn't feel it, but you could just barely hear it. Would have made a nice $$$$ mess had I not noticed it.....
BTW everything on mine cleared just fine on the engine stand until the oil pan went on and it flexed the windage tray inward a little too far.
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Re: WHOA!!!! Need some advise and opinions....
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10/11/09 09:58 PM
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engine locked up on me once,and the bolts I used for the bottom pulley were too long and hitting the cover.
That's a possibility also and real easy to check.
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Re: WHOA!!!! Need some advise and opinions....
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10/12/09 01:16 PM
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For the record, It sounds like it's something external. Good luck finding it and let us know.
yup. prolly the flex plate hitting the tranny housing.
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Re: WHOA!!!! Need some advise and opinions....
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10/12/09 01:29 PM
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You mentioned the engine is a salvage engine. Did it turn over before you swapped pans/pickups? I'm going to throw my vote in with the "it's something external" group. If you have a stock big block pickup, and you were able to get a stock pan on without bending something, I'm having a real hard time seeing how the rotating assembly is hitting the pan or the pickup. I've never had an interference with stock parts. Now if you left a wrench in the oil pan.........
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Re: WHOA!!!! Need some advise and opinions....
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10/12/09 02:38 PM
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You mentioned the engine is a salvage engine. Did it turn over before you swapped pans/pickups? I'm going to throw my vote in with the "it's something external" group. If you have a stock big block pickup, and you were able to get a stock pan on without bending something, I'm having a real hard time seeing how the rotating assembly is hitting the pan or the pickup. I've never had an interference with stock parts. Now if you left a wrench in the oil pan.........
if you got the 402 pan on with the correct pickup, honestly they fit only one way, IIRC the thing is interference fit as is if the pickup were rotated even a bit I don't see how you could've gotten the pan on!
Another vote for trying the external things first...release all the belts, back out the lower pulley bolts, flex plate bolts.
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Re: WHOA!!!! Need some advise and opinions....
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10/12/09 05:40 PM
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You mentioned the engine is a salvage engine. Did it turn over before you swapped pans/pickups? I'm going to throw my vote in with the "it's something external" group. If you have a stock big block pickup, and you were able to get a stock pan on without bending something, I'm having a real hard time seeing how the rotating assembly is hitting the pan or the pickup. I've never had an interference with stock parts. Now if you left a wrench in the oil pan.........
Yes it is a salvage motor/383. However it has been completely re-built with all new items except for the crank and rods. All else is brand new. And as I said in my OP the motor turned over fine with the C Body oil pan and pick up. Now with the 402 pan and pick it stops. But I will be as thorough on this. Also not hoist yet...got the shop, just no $$$$'s right now for the lift/hoist. I will jack the car up in the garage and use jack stands to make access as easy as possible...Keep it coming...
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Re: WHOA!!!! Need some advise and opinions....
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10/12/09 09:06 PM
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Sorry. I missed your comment about it turning over freely with the 'C' body setup. I still can't believe it's the pan/pickup.
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Re: WHOA!!!! Need some advise and opinions....Urgent Update
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10/17/09 06:09 PM
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