Re: Painters Delstar Acrylic Enamel Questions
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Re: Painters Delstar Acrylic Enamel Questions
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https://corporateportal.ppg.com/Refinish...CACHEHINT=Guest
Thanks for the link, unfortunately it appears to have zero information about Acrylic Enamel...
FWIW I've found info that confirms Urethane Reducer is ok to use.. So it appears I may have something else going on... The paint is dry to the touch in under five minutes.. We're talking a heavy wet coat not something being sprayed to dry... as it dries it's developing a haze as well.. It's flat & smooth, no orange peel but hazing over like it's a semi-gloss finish... must be a chemical issue.. I'm using DAR (Delstar Acrylic enamel) DXR80 (Urethane Hardener) & DT-870 (Urethane reducer) the temp is around 72 degrees... For the bottom & trunk as long as it's protected I don't really care but when It's time to spray the outside panels this needs to be fixed...
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Re: Painters Delstar Acrylic Enamel Questions
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How come your not using the DCC single stage paint instead?
I once tried to clean up a glass jar that had leftover DCC in it with the a Delstar line reducer and it wouldn't touch it.
Because while I understand how good urethane paints are these cars were originally painted with Acrylic Enamel & I've always liked the stuff.. The first car I used it on was painted in 1978 & still shines.. My Challenger has been painted now for 15 years & I think this shot sez plenty about how it looks..
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Re: Painters Delstar Acrylic Enamel Questions
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Yes, your challenger is awesome! For originality purposes the delstar is probably going to lay down and provide a more correct shine than any urethane paint. It's good paint, but with so many people using base clear it seems out of the ordinary, kinda like chevy guys repainting their 60's vettes with lacquer. It still happens, but not nearly as often anymore. It's still available here, but the paint store people will go out of their way to sell you something newer (and more expensive). I have 2 quarts of black and a quart of clear that I use for detail work. My dad had his 64 nova painted in delstar in the early 90's and it's still holding up great.
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Re: Painters Delstar Acrylic Enamel Questions
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If you can get the Concept DCC single stage paint in your color, it is just like spraying Delstar with hardner. (only better) Goes on great, covers incredible and super shine.. It is more money than Delstar, but if you dont have to drive out of state to get it, probably will be less money...
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Re: Painters Delstar Acrylic Enamel Questions
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is that the slowest reducer they carry?
Fast (below 65°F) DTR600 Moderate Temperature (60–75°F) DTR601 Medium Temperature (70–90º F) DTR602 Hot Temperatures (85°F & Above) DTR604
It's running in the 70's here.. I'll be picking up some DT602
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Re: Painters Delstar Acrylic Enamel Questions
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get the slowest reducer possible,that's where your problem is,
Don't you think using DXR80 hardner with DT reducer is the problem?
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Re: Painters Delstar Acrylic Enamel Questions
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Actually I believe my current problem is a chemical incompatablity, The P sheet that Challenger1 posted a link to sez don't use urethane reducer with DXR-80 hardener...Use one from the DTR series.. If your using DU-5 hardener then you can use DT reducer...
I do agree slower reducer flows out better.. In the past I've used plenty of Acrylic enameel with great results.. But it's been off the shelf here in California over ten years.. I can't get the stuff I used in the past & the local paint supply shops have likely forgotten most of what they once knew about the stuff..
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Re: Painters Delstar Acrylic Enamel Questions
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get the slowest reducer possible,that's where your problem is,
Don't you think using DXR80 hardner with DT reducer is the problem?
well it's a big part of the problem,I agree, but using slower reducer will help lay the paint,so it doesn't skin over in 5 minutes, he can use urethane hardener in that enamel,I haven't shot much of PPG single stage,so I can't recommend anything, but shot plenty of old Centari and Imron . He might also have old catalyst ,which causing the haze,it's definitely not reducer. Also retarder can be used in the mix ,but it won't cure the haze either. It's possible that the enamel has old or wrong binder
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