Open Plea to ALL of you GREAT Contributors to UnLawful
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In response to the different opinions in Al’s Turd post, I wanted to express this because it really got me thinking. I agree with Al. There is a very large group on here who really know their stuff, mostly from experience and trial and error. Billy, Al, Wayne, Dram and OU8 immediately come to mind, but are only a handful of great racers, wrenchers and tuners that are part of UNLAWFUL. You are the guys that racers, like myself, look to for advice and guidance. So to all of you, please do not take personal any rebuttal another member makes. Racers have achieved great results, many by utilizing unconventional methods and two entirely different paths may have achieved the same result, be it good or bad.
In this day of the WEB, because without seeing facial expressions, tone of voice, etc., etc., one cannot really discern the context of the comment one gives while banging on a keyboard. When one types, they type to get an idea or thought across and sometimes some of that gets lost in the process. So PLEASE give one another the benefit of the doubt, take it all with a grain of salt, get clarification before flying off the deep end. I for one, and I am sure I speak for many of the new racers, would really hate to lose anymore great mentors due to pride, ego and mostly a misunderstanding.
Diego
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Re: Open Plea to ALL of you GREAT Contributors to UnLawful
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Excellent post Ted. I for one dont post too much anymore for some of these reasons you mention. I can guarantee you I have quite a bit of knowledge in drag racing, but sometimes you get sick of arguing with people that just dont want to listen. I also agree there can be more than one way to achieve a result. It seems to be an almost "automatic" response by many on here to argue, complain, attack, belittle and so forth any comment that they dont agree ( and more often probably dont understand) with. Its the exchange of knowledge that makes a site like this worthwhile. Its a fool who speaks first and listens second I have a saying I use all the time...." Listen to what I am not telling you". You think about that, and it may start to make some sense. Its not the information that everyone blats out, its the information that people DONT speak about that is often important. That is typically where the answers are. I know many of the builders and shops on here both past and present, as well as many of the racers. Believe me when I tell you, there is a LOT of information that doesnt get posted, as well as a lot of MIS information that doesnt get corrected. The true professionals rarely comment. They are sick of fighting over trivial items. They are also exhausted from talking to members for hours and hours on the phones, hours and hours of typed emails, only to have the person go buy their parts from some "discounter" on Ebay, or some wholesaler who cant even begin to answer their questions due to lack of experience or real world data. Members should keep that in mind when making their purchases. Deal with the folks that help you out, and maybe forget about saving $2.00 on shipping. Just my experience and observations. It happened to me all the time and I too finally gave up. Its a different perspective I guess, that I wish some would consider. There are a handful of "racers" on here that just like to hear themselves talk about how fast they are, how good they are, how fast they are going to go ( typically only posting their -800' DA runs) etc etc and seem to only be concerned with their own achievements.I realize we can choose to read their comments or not, and I am one that doesnt waste my time anymore reading their internet garbage. They need their own sites to attack each other on. I would prefer that the forum contains real tech information, like I think it was meant to be. To watch these guys argue back and forth about who is going to beat who ( but they never for some reason ever seem to be at the same race...lol) is useless. You typically notice the racers that are really achieving something rarely post anything. They are busy getting better, racing real races, going rounds etc. I feel bad for the people that truely do come on to try and fix or solve a problem, learn something new and get advice from the seasoned veterans that DO have soething to add. Typically they get over run and self imposed experts run them off. There are some very good racers on here with some experience but I think they just dont care to comment, only to end up getting attacked or challenged about everything they say. Again, I think your post and comments are right on. Good advice for all to consider. My
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Re: Open Plea to ALL of you GREAT Contributors to UnLawful
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10/09/09 11:54 AM
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Two good posts here, that reflect the impressions of many. Nobody knows it all, but there are some here, who TRULY know a lot, and many here, who THINK they know a lot. Posting here can be difficult at times, as some just take every opportunity to jump on and argue, whether they are correct or not. Knowledgeable people get tired of defending themselves and just eventually quit posting, or cut way back. Most don't take it personally, but it does get old, so whats the point.
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Re: Open Plea to ALL of you GREAT Contributors to UnLawful
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10/09/09 12:34 PM
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Is it really that big of a deal.... really I mean c'mon! I love reading the argumentaive posts on whos's right or wrong as it gives more insight into both side of things..... There are always gonna be disagreements on here
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Re: Open Plea to ALL of you GREAT Contributors to UnLawful
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10/09/09 12:42 PM
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It's a big enough deal that this was posted. I can tell you there are many very sharp guys that dont post here anymore. There's a difference between a Jerry Springer environment and the History Channel content. I go elsewhere because of it. And I'm not a business. If you want to beat your chests and watch fights, go to the General Section and play with the penguins.
Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know.
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Re: Open Plea to ALL of you GREAT Contributors to UnLawful
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I know many of the builders and shops on here both past and present, as well as many of the racers. Believe me when I tell you, there is a LOT of information that doesnt get posted, as well as a lot of MIS information that doesnt get corrected. The true professionals rarely comment. They are sick of fighting over trivial items. They are also exhausted from talking to members for hours and hours on the phones, hours and hours of typed emails, only to have the person go buy their parts from some "discounter" on Ebay, or some wholesaler who cant even begin to answer their questions due to lack of experience or real world data. Members should keep that in mind when making their purchases. Deal with the folks that help you out, and maybe forget about saving $2.00 on shipping. Just my experience and observations. It happened to me all the time and I too finally gave up. Its a different perspective I guess, that I wish some would consider.
i think i fall into this category. there's a lot of misinformation thrown out there on this site, probably for a number of reasons. i used to post on a lot of those threads, but it seems like all it did was cause more problems and waste a lot of time. sometimes people don't know how to "receive", only how to talk. i don't know everything and i'm not afraid to admit it, but with over 30 years of building racing engines, i do know alittle bit. there's also a lot of great information sharing at times, and i soak up what i can when i have the time to really go through each thread topic. i spend a great deal of time answering questions and quoting prices via PM and e-mail, yet i would estimate that less than 2% of my business actually comes from Moparts members. as was metioned, too often people just want the information on what to buy so they can find the absolute lowest price on parts or shipping. times are tough for everybody, but i wish some of the folks who call me at 9:00 p.m. for advice would realize i need to make a living too. our prices are very competitive but i've lost sales over less than 5 bucks numerous times. go figure. i guess the 45 minutes i spent on the phone or answering the numerous PM's isn't worth anything, not even a couple of bucks. finally, we've all seen the number of very knowledgeable people stop posting over the years. i've seen a bunch of them get attacked for simply posting the truth about certain topics. i've been an example of that myself. so what it comes down to is, why bother to set yourself up. i'd love to see some of those guys come back, but i'm not going to hold my breath. i know if Gary was still with us, a lot of the garbage that gets posted would get moved out of the race forum very quickly. no need to cite examples, you know what i'm talking about. that stuff is fine for other sites and i wish that's where it would go. there's plenty more i'd like to say, but in the end all i'd do is upset some folks. i guess there's no need to go down that road.
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Re: Open Plea to ALL of you GREAT Contributors to UnLawful
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In response to the different opinions in Al’s Turd post, I wanted to express this because it really got me thinking. I agree with Al. There is a very large group on here who really know their stuff, mostly from experience and trial and error. Billy, Al, Wayne, Dram and OU8 immediately come to mind, but are only a handful of great racers, wrenchers and tuners that are part of UNLAWFUL. You are the guys that racers, like myself, look to for advice and guidance. So to all of you, please do not take personal any rebuttal another member makes. Racers have achieved great results, many by utilizing unconventional methods and two entirely different paths may have achieved the same result, be it good or bad.
In this day of the WEB, because without seeing facial expressions, tone of voice, etc., etc., one cannot really discern the context of the comment one gives while banging on a keyboard. When one types, they type to get an idea or thought across and sometimes some of that gets lost in the process. So PLEASE give one another the benefit of the doubt, take it all with a grain of salt, get clarification before flying off the deep end. I for one, and I am sure I speak for many of the new racers, would really hate to lose anymore great mentors due to pride, ego and mostly a misunderstanding.
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Re: Open Plea to ALL of you GREAT Contributors to UnLawful
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In this day of the WEB, because without seeing facial expressions, tone of voice, etc., etc., one cannot really discern the context of the comment one gives while banging on a keyboard. When one types, they type to get an idea or thought across and sometimes some of that gets lost in the process. So PLEASE give one another the benefit of the doubt, take it all with a grain of salt, get clarification before flying off the deep end.
This is the most perfectly stated observation I've seen in a LOOOONG time. I've said this many times, both here and even with my family in dealings with friends via email. Even with people you know well, sometimes the REAL meaning of a statement can get lost in a typed communication, so definately talk with people before you allow yourself to be offended. Thanks Ted. Ken.
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Re: Open Plea to ALL of you GREAT Contributors to UnLawful
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There are a handful of "racers" on here that just like to hear themselves talk about how fast they are, how good they are, how fast they are going to go ( typically only posting their -800' DA runs) etc etc
If my lack of any recent "racing" and only infrequent test & tune results post falls into this category, so be it. These days that's about all I can contribute...
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Re: Open Plea to ALL of you GREAT Contributors to UnLawful
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Yes but we all know how to set pinion angle now the proper way!
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It seems like there are alot that agree with some of what I have said. If the individuals that "like" drama, want drama, then bullet is their cup of tea!! This site does not have to be boring or uneventful, as we all like the juicy details. However, respect and a bit of open minded tolerance go a long way. Everyone wants to be taken seriously and feel their input is worth the time they invested into sharing it, this should be considered by all. My point was not to call anyone out but rather to implore we treat each other and each other’s opinion with consideration, if not respect. After all we are all racers, mopar enthusiasts and I would like to think friends brought together by a common bond.
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Re: Open Plea to ALL of you GREAT Contributors to UnLawful
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It seems like there are alot that agree with some of what I have said. If the individuals that "like" drama, want drama, then bullet is their cup of tea!! This site does not have to be boring or uneventful, as we all like the juicy details. However, respect and a bit of open minded tolerance go a long way. Everyone wants to be taken seriously and feel their input is worth the time they invested into sharing it, this should be considered by all. My point was not to call anyone out but rather to implore we treat each other and each other’s opinion with consideration, if not respect. After all we are all racers, mopar enthusiasts and I would like to think friends brought together by a common bond.
Diego
This post is one of the best I have read in awhile that was not tech related, as far as the tech stuff, it seem's that there is more crap than tech anymore, used to get straight answer's before, now it seem's people get pissy if you don't agree with them and are quick to put you in your place, (or so they think), I have learned alot here and met a lot of member's that I now concider friend's, the biggest thing I miss is the builder's, machinist and assembler's of great car's that at one time were very willing to freely give information to help guy's like me get thru a problem now it's hard to get a straight answer from someone that really know's, I guess some people aren't happy unless they are stirring up a stink
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Re: Open Plea to ALL of you GREAT Contributors to UnLawful
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Exellent post! I agree a 100% Keep Unlawfl`tech, please!
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Re: Open Plea to ALL of you GREAT Contributors to UnLawful
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( typically only posting their -800' DA runs) etc etc
I better check my sig times, ...
OK, I don't currently have my -900 ft DA time of 9.12 in there, I was worried you were talking about me. But I thought the "BEST" time slip was the best time slip?
And I bought my Callies crank and connecting rods from Dan.
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Re: Open Plea to ALL of you GREAT Contributors to UnLawful
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Excellent post Ted. I for one dont post too much anymore for some of these reasons you mention. I can guarantee you I have quite a bit of knowledge in drag racing, but sometimes you get sick of arguing with people that just dont want to listen. I also agree there can be more than one way to achieve a result. It seems to be an almost "automatic" response by many on here to argue, complain, attack, belittle and so forth any comment that they dont agree ( and more often probably dont understand) with. Its the exchange of knowledge that makes a site like this worthwhile. Its a fool who speaks first and listens second I have a saying I use all the time...." Listen to what I am not telling you". You think about that, and it may start to make some sense. Its not the information that everyone blats out, its the information that people DONT speak about that is often important. That is typically where the answers are.
I know many of the builders and shops on here both past and present, as well as many of the racers. Believe me when I tell you, there is a LOT of information that doesnt get posted, as well as a lot of MIS information that doesnt get corrected. The true professionals rarely comment. They are sick of fighting over trivial items. They are also exhausted from talking to members for hours and hours on the phones, hours and hours of typed emails, only to have the person go buy their parts from some "discounter" on Ebay, or some wholesaler who cant even begin to answer their questions due to lack of experience or real world data. Members should keep that in mind when making their purchases. Deal with the folks that help you out, and maybe forget about saving $2.00 on shipping. Just my experience and observations. It happened to me all the time and I too finally gave up. Its a different perspective I guess, that I wish some would consider.
There are a handful of "racers" on here that just like to hear themselves talk about how fast they are, how good they are, how fast they are going to go ( typically only posting their -800' DA runs) etc etc and seem to only be concerned with their own achievements.I realize we can choose to read their comments or not, and I am one that doesnt waste my time anymore reading their internet garbage. They need their own sites to attack each other on. I would prefer that the forum contains real tech information, like I think it was meant to be. To watch these guys argue back and forth about who is going to beat who ( but they never for some reason ever seem to be at the same race...lol) is useless.
You typically notice the racers that are really achieving something rarely post anything. They are busy getting better, racing real races, going rounds etc. I feel bad for the people that truely do come on to try and fix or solve a problem, learn something new and get advice from the seasoned veterans that DO have soething to add. Typically they get over run and self imposed experts run them off.
There are some very good racers on here with some experience but I think they just dont care to comment, only to end up getting attacked or challenged about everything they say.
Again, I think your post and comments are right on. Good advice for all to consider.
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"I would perfer the forum contains real tech information,like I think it was ment to be." This forum is by far the "clickiest" on moparts. Many that frequent this forum have for some reason attached linkage to running in the 9's and being a real drag racer and true lover of the sport. Strange. About half the threads contain tech info. The rest - mostly self indulging crap. I frequent this and the "Q&A" forum to gleen what tech info I can and share when I can. Considerable more good tech info on the "Q&A" forum. I would think it should be the other way around, at least for the highly tecnnical issues. Aint so.
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I too agree whole heartedly... i dont get deep into things as much either,,or as much as i used to...its sort of not worth getting worked up over.. but keeping the deminor in mind when reading a post can help alot.. i agree some guys like to see blood spill..most often its fruitless to the conversation.. i think as long as we all recognise it when it happens... spirited-ness can be confusing....also. cheapst
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Remember that everyone is trying to provide information. What you do with that information is your choice. No need to make a battle out it. My I usually just read the post and do not make comments because I do not want to hear the crap about expressing my opinion. So if we are all tired of nobody responding to posts, just remember that everyone is trying to provide the information that they believe is correct. So no need to start a pissing contest. Once again, this is my opinion and regardless what the rest of the Moparts world thinks, I am entitled to my opinion without anyone's approval. With that I will climb back into my lurking mode. Peace and good luck on the track!! Durand
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I don't think the Forum is as tech based as it was since it's inception. Sadly there seems to be few people that do not like to be disagreed with or take any critism personally. I have often found myself thinking twice about posting, and in many cases haven't bothered. It is still a good place for information, but sadly there has been many very knowledgable people on the Forum that have been abused for sharing their experiences. We're the ones that lose out because of this, which really is disappointing.
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I would perfer the forum contains real tech information,like I think it was ment to be." This forum is by far the "clickiest" on moparts. Many that frequent this forum have for some reason attached linkage to running in the 9's and being a real drag racer and true lover of the sport. Strange. About half the threads contain tech info. The rest - mostly self indulging crap. I frequent this and the "Q&A" forum to gleen what tech info I can and share when I can. Considerable more good tech info on the "Q&A" forum. I would think it should be the other way around, at least for the highly tecnnical issues. Aint so.
I have to agree with you on this. I don't post much in the race section but I do like to read some of the threads and soak up some of the tech info that is somewhat applicable to my goals. But I do find a lot of bs in here that IMO should be getting shipped out to the general section. But seems as those guys refuse to post in any other section than the race section so it's kind of a viscious circle.
I've been on moparts for quite some time and when the race section was created I always thought it was for hard race tech talk, but instead of kinda morphed into being 1/2 race tech and 1/2 hangout for the race guys - with the accompanying banter and o/t posts and threads. Is that really how it should be? I can't answer that one.
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I know many of the builders and shops on here both past and present, as well as many of the racers. Believe me when I tell you, there is a LOT of information that doesnt get posted, as well as a lot of MIS information that doesnt get corrected. The true professionals rarely comment. They are sick of fighting over trivial items. They are also exhausted from talking to members for hours and hours on the phones, hours and hours of typed emails, only to have the person go buy their parts from some "discounter" on Ebay, or some wholesaler who cant even begin to answer their questions due to lack of experience or real world data. Members should keep that in mind when making their purchases. Deal with the folks that help you out, and maybe forget about saving $2.00 on shipping. Just my experience and observations. It happened to me all the time and I too finally gave up. Its a different perspective I guess, that I wish some would consider.
i think i fall into this category. there's a lot of misinformation thrown out there on this site, probably for a number of reasons. i used to post on a lot of those threads, but it seems like all it did was cause more problems and waste a lot of time. sometimes people don't know how to "receive", only how to talk. i don't know everything and i'm not afraid to admit it, but with over 30 years of building racing engines, i do know alittle bit. there's also a lot of great information sharing at times, and i soak up what i can when i have the time to really go through each thread topic. i spend a great deal of time answering questions and quoting prices via PM and e-mail, yet i would estimate that less than 2% of my business actually comes from Moparts members. as was metioned, too often people just want the information on what to buy so they can find the absolute lowest price on parts or shipping. times are tough for everybody, but i wish some of the folks who call me at 9:00 p.m. for advice would realize i need to make a living too. our prices are very competitive but i've lost sales over less than 5 bucks numerous times. go figure. i guess the 45 minutes i spent on the phone or answering the numerous PM's isn't worth anything, not even a couple of bucks. finally, we've all seen the number of very knowledgeable people stop posting over the years. i've seen a bunch of them get attacked for simply posting the truth about certain topics. i've been an example of that myself. so what it comes down to is, why bother to set yourself up. i'd love to see some of those guys come back, but i'm not going to hold my breath. i know if Gary was still with us, a lot of the garbage that gets posted would get moved out of the race forum very quickly. no need to cite examples, you know what i'm talking about. that stuff is fine for other sites and i wish that's where it would go. there's plenty more i'd like to say, but in the end all i'd do is upset some folks. i guess there's no need to go down that road.
Always a big help,thanks Dan
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Re: Open Plea to ALL of you GREAT Contributors to UnLawful
[Re: 408Dust]
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There were several very good points made here. It is sad that many reputable people don't post here anymore. I can recall my very first post asking which way to go. 500 tall deck or low deck. That post raised a lot of eyebrows because of the amount of respected engine builders who weighed in on that subject. I'm not so sure it wouldn be the same today. On the flip side of that I think we need to give kudos to the guys who were mentioned above for sticking it out here and not leaving. That says a lot about them as well. But like me they love this place and always are here. I'm no expert. Never have been and never will be. But as long as I have this place to come to for help and insight I'm in good hands. Hats off to all that help us! DC
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Re: Open Plea to ALL of you GREAT Contributors to UnLaw
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10/10/09 10:49 AM
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I post as much and maybe more info as I do humor. There have ben times when I myself learned a great deal more on a subject by trying to help the other guy. Much like your local neighborhood tavern this forum has a diversified group of people. Much like the tavern not everyone will agree on a subject . There are times when I can read a post and know by the second reply it's going to get ugly. Some people don't play well with others. there are some that have a very thin skin and take everything personal.
Spoken like a true scholar Stay off the bar stand
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Re: Open Plea to ALL of you GREAT Contributors to UnLawful
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10/10/09 11:33 AM
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Great advice.
RIP Monte Smith
Your work is a reflection of yourself, autograph it with quality.
WD for Diamond Pistons,Sidewinder cylinder heads, Wiseco, K1 rods and cranks,BAM lifters, Morel lifters, Molnar Technologies, Harland Sharp, Pro Gear, Cometic, King Engine Bearings and many others.
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Re: Open Plea to ALL of you GREAT Contributors to UnLawful
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keeping this section stricly on dry technical reading....doesnt apeeal to me...at all. i can get that from any good tech book... tech is just that tech. we arent building cookie cutter widgets here.. so rarely are two combo's exactly the same. its the human feed back..and real world input/output that makes forums like this truely great.. i also find it more enjoyable that way. the soap opera parts i just personally edit out. or steer around.. its not that hard to do. really.... plus its way better than the old options we used to have...magazines and print media.. we all just need to learn to keep our "filters" on when we use the net.. ...so to speek.. its the P/C mentality.that creates the thin skin...... . My grandfather used to tell me..."I like stew with real chunks of meat and veggies and the more the better...it puts meat on your bones. the other stuff is just hot water" cheers cheapst
365" Iron J heads,,3480lbs best 1.39 60ft on SS springs.10.54,124 mph ...6.67 1/8th et.average 60fts 1.46 w/ small cam &.063 no2 pill tagged & insured [image][/image]
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Re: Open Plea to ALL of you GREAT Contributors to UnLawful
[Re: cheapstreetdustr]
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keeping this section stricly on dry technical reading....doesnt apeeal to me...at all. i can get that from any good tech book... tech is just that tech. we arent building cookie cutter widgets here.. so rarely are two combo's exactly the same. its the human feed back..and real world input/output that makes forums like this truely great.. i also find it more enjoyable that way. the soap opera parts i just personally edit out. or steer around.. its not that hard to do. really.... plus its way better than the old options we used to have...magazines and print media.. we all just need to learn to keep our "filters" on when we use the net.. ...so to speek.. its the P/C mentality.that creates the thin skin...... . My grandfather used to tell me..."I like stew with real chunks of meat and veggies and the more the better...it puts meat on your bones. the other stuff is just hot water" cheers cheapst
Annecdotal reports are the most fun thing about this site..or any site for enthusiasts. That combined with expert advice is what makes this site rock. For that reason it is the envy of most other moparts wannabes, IMHO.
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Re: Open Plea to ALL of you GREAT Contributors to UnLawful
[Re: Old School]
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10/10/09 01:25 PM
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what are points?
they set way up high and firm thought everybody knew that.
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Re: Open Plea to ALL of you GREAT Contributors to UnLawful
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10/10/09 01:35 PM
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Hmmmm..Well I do not contribute to many tech questions anymore for a lot of reasons. Some stated and some not. I appreciate the input from EVERYONE whenever I post a question and I listen to all of it, and we makes changes accordingly and see what the results net us. Usually we find someting good and go from there.
"I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know."
"It's never wrong to do the right thing"
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Re: Open Plea to ALL of you GREAT Contributors to UnLawful
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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10/13/09 09:17 AM
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Two good posts here, that reflect the impressions of many. Nobody knows it all, but there are some here, who TRULY know a lot, and many here, who THINK they know a lot. Posting here can be difficult at times, as some just take every opportunity to jump on and argue, whether they are correct or not. Knowledgeable people get tired of defending themselves and just eventually quit posting, or cut way back. Most don't take it personally, but it does get old, so whats the point.
Monte
thanks Monte for this post. You got into words what I could not.
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Re: Open Plea to ALL of you GREAT Contributors to UnLawful
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Fact is I spend a bunch of time on the computer, more than I should...It has been this way since the Windows 98 platform came out LOL. I post what I feel will help, 99% of the time someone has already posted the same thing...So I know i am on the right track as some. I try to either add or clarify on the points trying to be made. If I am the first poster reply, I post what info what I feel is needed good or bad. Some people dont care to much for people telling them what to do, or how to approach the problem... They dont take criticism very well... Why bother to post, knowing your going to do what you want to anyhow. Hey If someone has a better way or a better idea on how to make my car go faster..Im all ears. And if anyone disagrees with your or my suggestion...well there isn't much you can do, so why argue and look like fools. I have learned a bunch from this web site over the years. I know there is certain members that hasnt ever been down the drag strip, and has never actually built or raced a 10,9,8,or 7 second car..But they sure can tell one how to race i,t build it, and adjust it. These group of guys are awesome in there own mind, and rule the world of keyboard racers. I personally have been deep 7's with my home built junk..and when I say home built I mean completely assembled here at home...From the trans to the rear end narrowing, engine etc. The current car will be the the 4th race car assembled and raced at the Coomer House Hold in the last 7 years.
[color:"red"]65 Hemi Belvedere coming soon [/color] [color:"#00FF00"]557" Indy engine 1.07 60ft 144mph in the 8th 2100 lbs package [/color]
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Re: Open Plea to ALL of you GREAT Contributors to UnLawful
[Re: silverfish]
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10/13/09 11:45 AM
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I think some people are taking this way out of context. Nobody is saying you can't joke around and get a little off subject here and there. But bickering and taking jabs at someone like a 2nd grader is just ridiculous. I believe that is what the biggest problem is. I'm as thick skinned as anyone out there. I don't care what anyone thinks of me but I'm not gonna get in an elementary argument with someone that just wants to argue for the hell of it. Its not a problem of being offended or getting hurt feelings. Its a problem with most of us don't have time for the bullshit!
I think there are some very good people that offer help here,there are some that add a little humor and sometimes a little friendly banter back and forth.It's definately not boring.It's when some want to argue,belittle, and demean others,that it becomes an issue of disrespect and a display of ignorance.That part is unnecessary and serves no purpose.This site doesn't have to be strait laced,we can enjoy each others opinions,knowledge and humor with out being offensive.I always enjoy post from guys like HemiFred and Wild Bill and others that add color and interest to their response and enjoy their post.Even Boomer in his own twisted humor is entertaining.
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