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10.0 shootout...did they meet and discuss the rules
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Per what was said a while back. If i remember the going to a 400/500 tree was to be brought up at Norwalk after the race to those who had attended 3 events. Did this happen, and if so what was the result.Additionally, were allowing delay boxes discussed. thanks in advance 
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Re: 10.0 shootout...did they meet and discuss the rules
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Cool... I personally dont like the delay box(as i dont use one, and most people at these events arent delay box racers)as is evidenced by "pro" class by far being the biggest field we have.....But whatever on that point I think on my thread the majority(by far) favored the 500 tree, if you are not going to have any limits on how light a car can be, even Lonnie is not opposed to it. I think you are making a mistake asking just people with perfect attendance to decide, and i doubt 5% of the people on this board would argue my point on this, you shouldnt have to be able to make every event to have a say........ Anyhow, thanks, and let us know what is decided 
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Re: 10.0 shootout...did they meet and discuss the rules
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The guy that created this class doesn't drive a lightweight car, or run a delay box, but they opened up the rules to get car counts up. i see no problem with that. Also the rules should be decided by those that are at the races most. I just wish I could attend some of the 10.0 shooouts. Everyone I have ever talked to that raced at one had a blast, and to me that is whaat racing is for. FUN.
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Re: 10.0 shootout...did they meet and discuss the rules
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The guy that created this class doesn't drive a lightweight car, or run a delay box, but they opened up the rules to get car counts up. i see no problem with that. Also the rules should be decided by those that are at the races most. I just wish I could attend some of the 10.0 shooouts. Everyone I have ever talked to that raced at one had a blast, and to me that is whaat racing is for. FUN.
Jeff
true, good post..
The delay box thing i suppose does get car counts up from what they would be, but, that doesnt mean the rules couldnt state you cant use it if one is in your car, which would make it fairer for ALL participants and not affect car counts at all..
Just MY 
THe truth is, when all these rules were made, most all of the guys making them hadnt run in this type of race before, so i think its fair to say there was a learning curve for all involved, and that is to be expected.
I would wager i started 10 flat racing probably before anybody on this board did, about 8-9 years ago, up at Mid Mich motorplex, and kinda saw what made it a sucess and not a sucess. Having raced up there for years, i can honestly say i never had any suggestions to make to anybody, i thought the rules were(and still are)perfectly fair to everybody.
But you can look far and wide and not find box and no box guys racing each other with any regularity at all....for the same pot....
I said my piece before, guys like it cause its fun(and most all of them have never raced in that class except at the classic events) so have nothing to compare it against.
In a perfect world, it would have weight restrictions, be on a 400 tree, and not allow delay boxes to be used by anybody.
In the real world, the weight thing is an issue that isnt going to fix itself, so i would say 500 tree,and boxes not allowed to be used.I challenge anybody to show me where the above would affect attendance in a bad way at all(and might improve it) and wouldnt make the racing on a "more" even playing field.
Having perfect attendance to speak up is about the lamest thing i have ever heard...  ... sorry, anybody who drives to these events, takes the time off work, yada, yada, should have a voice......
i admit, i missed Norwalk because i was flat broke. My business has been unreal slow. Would i have LOVED to saddle up and go over there..you bet..anybody on this board who knows me knows that for a fact...
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Re: 10.0 shootout...did they meet and discuss the rules
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The guy that created this class doesn't drive a lightweight car, or run a delay box, but they opened up the rules to get car counts up. i see no problem with that. Also the rules should be decided by those that are at the races most. I just wish I could attend some of the 10.0 shooouts. Everyone I have ever talked to that raced at one had a blast, and to me that is whaat racing is for. FUN.
Jeff, If you raced in the 10.O you would love it, my brother Mark with the copper 65 coronet was the only stick car in 10.O , you can be #2
I talked to almost all the drivers in 10.O over the weekend , and not one said anything to me about the tree. But this will get beaten to death.
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Re: 10.0 shootout...did they meet and discuss the rules
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From what I seen this weekend. There probably isn't too much reason to change any rules. Considering this was the biggest shootout to date!!
Yep,, 41 cars,, if their are changes made then what will be next,I know this won't be a popular opinion with some guy's but, I agree with both John and Jeff and I say leave it alone,,,,,now away.
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Re: 10.0 shootout...did they meet and discuss the rules
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From what I seen this weekend. There probably isn't too much reason to change any rules. Considering this was the biggest shootout to date!!
Yep,, 41 cars,, if their are changes made then what will be next,I know this won't be a popular opinion with some guy's but, I agree with both John and Jeff and I say leave it alone,,,,,now away.
Looks like i am on the losing end here... 
Some guys might not have said anything to you John because they dont know you that well, or a variety of reasons.. had i been there i wouldnt have said anything to you, you already know my opinion, and the opinion of those who posted in the thread i started a while back...so i wouldnt draw any conclusions from that.....
Yes 41 cars, there were almost that many last year when everybody knew it was gonna rain all weekend and tons of people didnt come.There might have been about 5 less cars, maybe.
who is to sday there might not have been 50 or 60 cars if no delay box was the rule, you dont know and i dont either.
There frankly arent ALL that many 10 flat or quicker cars at the classic events to begin with. I dont think in all my years i have ever been chased in pro going around 10 flat at a classic event, ever. this fact is more a reason for ONLY having like 40 cars when hundreds are there, more than anything, and getting 3 runs for 20 bucks(which i am sure several guys did for only that reason.
I am definately more outspoken than most, but to say you have it set up the fairest for everybody isnt true at all, as plenty of guys stated on that thread...just consider it, thats all i ask..when i can i will be there and race in it no matter what the rules are.
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Re: 10.0 shootout...did they meet and discuss the rules
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From what I seen this weekend. There probably isn't too much reason to change any rules. Considering this was the biggest shootout to date!!
Yep,, 41 cars,, if their are changes made then what will be next,I know this won't be a popular opinion with some guy's but, I agree with both John and Jeff and I say leave it alone,,,,,now away.
Bill ...make up your mind...remember that it originally was a 500 tree and everybody loved it...remember???
Guys like 340 rick(who hardly ever races in it)440 Jim,(raced in it once or twice total) , and others are who got it changed to 400, in spite of people wanting it left alone.. so dont look at me, if it was the way it was to begin with i wouldnt have ever started a post in the first place. .sorry...but that is the truth.. If the rules had never been changed do you think there would be less cars running in it...of friggin course not
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From what I seen this weekend. There probably isn't too much reason to change any rules. Considering this was the biggest shootout to date!!
Yep,, 41 cars,, if their are changes made then what will be next,I know this won't be a popular opinion with some guy's but, I agree with both John and Jeff and I say leave it alone,,,,,now away.
Bill ...make up your mind...remember that it originally was a 500 tree and everybody loved it...remember???
Guys like 340 rick(who hardly ever races in it)440 Jim,(raced in it once or twice total) , and others are who got it changed to 400, in spite of people wanting it left alone.. so dont look at me, if it was the way it was to begin with i wouldnt have ever started a post in the first place. .sorry...but that is the truth.. If the rules had never been changed do you think there would be less cars running in it...of friggin course not
I have ran it since it's inception and I personally don't ever remember it ever being a .500 tree, you have to remember that they also run two gambler's race's (pro non electronic's and super pro electronic's) right along with the shootout and most don't have time to get back up and run it, and most of those guy's will take a gambler's race over the shootout for a couple of reason's 1.)better winning potential 2.) a gambler's is more what they do on a normal basis any way, it was made for us guy's that wanted to do somthing a little different. 
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I have ran it since it's inception and I personally don't ever remember it ever being a .500 tree, you have to remember that they also run two gambler's race's (pro non electronic's and super pro electronic's) right along with the shootout and most don't have time to get back up and run it, and most of those guy's will take a gambler's race over the shootout for a couple of reason's 1.)better winning potential 2.) a gambler's is more what they do on a normal basis any way, it was made for us guy's that wanted to do somthing a little different.
Bill, the first year it was a .500 tree
After thinking it over you and Don are correct,you just beat me to the punch  I sat out the first one which I believe was at Norwalk, it was the next year that I joined in on the festivities, but I stand on the rest of what I said
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Interesting post. I did not have a chance to talk with John Cope but if so I would have put my vote in for the .500 tree. In fact I asked a few racers about that over the weekend and the response I received, was yes the .500 tree sure would be nice.
Regardless it is a fun race and I will continue to participate as possible.
I can appreciate the perfect attendance racers as those with most influence, however what about guys that only missed one race, shouldn't their votes count as well ? The airlines have silver, gold and platinum status for a reason; so they do NOT offend their most valuable clients.
I like the classic events and feel they are about as fair as it can get but wanted to throw my thoughts in the hat.
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I also would definitely prefer to see it a .500 tree.
This was first attempt, at it was a total failure -- but practice will get me there.....
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I also would definitely prefer to see it a .500 tree.
This was first attempt, at it was a total failure -- but practice will get me there.....
 I also would prefer a .500 tree as my 3500 lb B body is not good at all for a .400 tree but I'll run it either way just for the fun of it.
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ihave a blast in the 10-0 thanks to john{crt} and cc events. 
