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Re: 440 trucks
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10/11/04 05:49 PM
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Huh My warlock VIN starts .. D13BF7S****** 
I was the Black Warlock but now Iam the Fargo Freek
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Re: 440 trucks
[Re: dynotune440]
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10/11/04 06:34 PM
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Lil Reds were predestinated from the factory to be Lil Reds. But were Warlocks, Midnight Expresses, and True Spirits destined from the factory that way? I thought it was more of an individual dealer sales gimmick for declining sales and leftover inventory. It was just an appearance package. When they found it was working, they increased the efforts of the “Adult Toy” campaign. Does anyone have any original 1976 literature that mentions Warlock? I have only seen the brochures in later years.
In the late ’80’s - early 90’s Mopar did a similar thing with the “Mopar Express” kit for the Dakotas. I know a dealer who ordered one to put on a leftover Dakota they couldn’t sell.
dynotune 440, is that the number for 1976? Any idea of how many left? I guess that would make it pretty rare.
Where do you get the other statistics of how many utilines with each engine size were built in 1976, 1977, 1978? Just curious. For example, Black Warlock’s pickup is one out of how many that start with D13BF7S?
1966 Plymouth Satellite 440 6bbl
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Re: 440 trucks
[Re: MachoMan]
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10/11/04 07:43 PM
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Who at Dodge was behind the marketing strategy for these trucks?!  Names like Warlock and True Spirit could have definitely backfired on them.  Maybe this is why they waited a year before putting anything in print. Typically, auto manufacturers don’t resort to images of witchcraft to gain popularity among the general public. Now the names are quite fitting because these trucks are very “mythical” – little information is know for a fact. I still haven’t run across one of those rare Warlocks that “looked EXACTLY like yours but with the big block HEMI 6-pack, 4spd, with stacks……...    mmmm... sure... ok - you know the type!
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Re: 440 trucks
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10/11/04 07:45 PM
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That is the number for 1976 units only as I stated before. There is no information on how many other utiline trucks were made with the VIN"D" code 440, unless Machoman knows more. I have no idea how many are still out there, but I would have to immaginge that there are not too many left out there. There were no 131wb utilines in 1976 with VIN"D" 440 engines. Also, there is no information on other trucks other than the 1978 D14BD8S trucks, and the Lil Reds.  Quote:
Lil Reds were predestinated from the factory to be Lil Reds. But were Warlocks, Midnight Expresses, and True Spirits destined from the factory that way? I thought it was more of an individual dealer sales gimmick for declining sales and leftover inventory. It was just an appearance package. When they found it was working, they increased the efforts of the “Adult Toy” campaign. Does anyone have any original 1976 literature that mentions Warlock? I have only seen the brochures in later years.
In the late ’80’s - early 90’s Mopar did a similar thing with the “Mopar Express” kit for the Dakotas. I know a dealer who ordered one to put on a leftover Dakota they couldn’t sell.
dynotune 440, is that the number for 1976? Any idea of how many left? I guess that would make it pretty rare.
Where do you get the other statistics of how many utilines with each engine size were built in 1976, 1977, 1978? Just curious. For example, Black Warlock’s pickup is one out of how many that start with D13BF7S?
Dinuba, California, Home of the PALOMINO ranch and 440 truck farm, where dodge trucks have a home. Have Four 1979 dodge PALOMINO trucks now.
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Re: 440 trucks
[Re: 66Plymouth440Six]
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10/11/04 07:53 PM
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Well, one of the guys was Tom Hoover, and the other guy I can't remember his name. Tom was inspirational in the conception of the LRE. The names did actually backfire on them, in 1979 the name of the warlock changed to warlockII. This change was of a law suite from the warlock motorcycle gang stating that the name was theirs and mopar was infringing on their rights to the name. as far as rare birds goes, they are out there, but in some cases, some of those rare birds look like they were made that way by their owners, rather than the way they rolled off the assembly line. 
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Who at Dodge was behind the marketing strategy for these trucks?! Names like Warlock and True Spirit could have definitely backfired on them.
Maybe this is why they waited a year before putting anything in print.
Typically, auto manufacturers don’t resort to images of witchcraft to gain popularity among the general public. Now the names are quite fitting because these trucks are very “mythical” – little information is know for a fact. I still haven’t run across one of those rare Warlocks that “looked EXACTLY like yours but with the big block HEMI 6-pack, 4spd, with stacks……...
mmmm... sure... ok - you know the type!
Dinuba, California, Home of the PALOMINO ranch and 440 truck farm, where dodge trucks have a home. Have Four 1979 dodge PALOMINO trucks now.
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Re: 440 trucks
[Re: MachoMan]
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10/11/04 07:56 PM
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the pic of the true sprit sweptline does have the decal on it. Quote:
the true spirit was the precursor to warlock. did they tweak it a bit and come up w/warlock. i've seen only 2 different color true spirits and both were different body's a utiline(all were same color) and a sweptline(was blue). the swept didn't have the striping.
i have sales and dealer lit and nothing is mentioned about warlocks or true spirits in dealer order books. so hard to say. warlock is mentioned in sales brochures for 77.
don't have much before 76 as far as dealer stuff.
here is a pic of a 79 TS, notice stripe similarity.
Dinuba, California, Home of the PALOMINO ranch and 440 truck farm, where dodge trucks have a home. Have Four 1979 dodge PALOMINO trucks now.
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Re: 440 trucks
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10/11/04 08:30 PM
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Interesting about the Warlock II. I never knew that was the reason behind that.
The comment was reflecting on people's little knowledge about these trucks (not you in particular). It seems like they is always one in the crowd at a car show that starts telling you that they had the exact same truck but instead turns into a list of every Mopar word they know. Or think they think you ripped the stacks off a Lil Red, painted it, and put custom gold pin striping. Very few people know about the Warlock package even if they own a Mopar.
Now back to our regular scheduled program...
1966 Plymouth Satellite 440 6bbl
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Re: 440 trucks
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10/11/04 09:22 PM
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I have been reluctant to ask this question. Has anyone ever seen a Warlock with a Warlock decal on it? I remember as a kid seeing a 4x4 Warlock in the "hood" (not to far from where I live now) that had a decal depicting a Warlock / demon looking "man" in the same location as the True Spirit script. When I have posed this question to Mopar car people in the past they all laughed and thought I was stoned. Not then I was 10 years old and on my way to church. Has anyone ever seen this? BIGGERRED
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Re: 440 trucks
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10/12/04 04:57 AM
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Quote:
the pic of the true sprit sweptline does have the decal on it.
well, i guess it does. so faded i didn't see it.
oh btw, this truck may also be getting saved and it's 4x4. the one and only i've seen.
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Re: 440 trucks
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10/17/04 10:26 PM
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I have a question for you guys..... which project should I address next summer? 1978 d150 swb 2wd 440 truck -or- 1977 d150 swb 440 warlock. The 78 is lowered, and will need some attencion to the engine. the 77 is a basket case that will need frame repair and a lot of stuff. Anyhow, any opinions? 
Dinuba, California, Home of the PALOMINO ranch and 440 truck farm, where dodge trucks have a home. Have Four 1979 dodge PALOMINO trucks now.
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