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1970 Challenger door inserts #451433
08/27/09 12:03 AM
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Where can I get the lighter woodgrain pattern vinyl insert for 1970 only Challenger doors?
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Re: 1970 Challenger door inserts [Re: GKMOPAR] #451434
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I don't think the 70 cars were necessarily all the lighter woodgrain.

If you look on the back of the metal door plate that the woodgrain sticks to, you'll see #s for both Kashmir grain & Walnut grain. I think the Kashmir is the lighter more red grain. So far, no one seems to have figured out what determines if a car received Kashmir or Walnut. If Kashmir matches your console top/rallye gauges and it's what you want, I think the first place I'd check with is Performance Car Graphics in Tallahassee Florida. Another good person to check with would be Jim from Detroit Muscle Technologies. You may end up trying to match your original to contact paper at the local home improvement store. If you do that, I'd suggest using additional adhesive.

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Re: 1970 Challenger door inserts [Re: cataclysm80] #451435
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Hey Tav, do you have the actual numbers handy?

Re: 1970 Challenger door inserts [Re: KISSAlien] #451436
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I have never seen actual Chrysler documentation that listed different woodgrain colors for E BODIES. I'd be very interested to see any mention.

I DO know the woodgrain for the door inserts and console tops came from 3M. The material was called DINOC (sp?) It was a paper backed vinyl that had the texture on the surface. 3M made a TON of colors and versions. Much of it was used on cheap furniture in the 60's and 70's. they discontinued it here in the US market but did (OR DO) still sell it in Japan and Europe. I stopped my investigation at that point.

There is only ONE manufacturer of the TEXTURED vinyl that a few of use use for E bodies console tops now. Only comes in one close color. They make like 5 colors but they are not even close to anything Chrysler used. I have a swatch book somewhere. I'll post a picture.


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Re: 1970 Challenger door inserts [Re: 71TA] #451437
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All the cars I parted that were early cars had the lighter and red cast/look. And 71 up ones were darker non red look.
I think the same as Jim that it was just a change in dye lots from the vendor.
I do not think it was intentionaly done.
I have parted plenty E's
I Remember the post 71TA had on this he searched quite a few venders for it and asked about build dtaes ect.

Re: 1970 Challenger door inserts [Re: KISSAlien] #451438
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Quote:

I have never seen actual Chrysler documentation that listed different woodgrain colors for E BODIES. I'd be very interested to see any mention.




While I can't point to any printed page, their is supporting evidence in every car, printed on the backside of the parts themselves.

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I think that it was just a change in dye lots from the vendor. I do not think it was intentionally done.




While browsing through some of the engineering diagrams, I was a bit surprised to find instances where the 1971 cars were being designed before 1970 production began. Before 1970 production even began they were already planning changes for 71. Some diagrams with 1960's dates specified F series (1970) be one way, while G series (1971) be another. It's like both 70 & 71 cars were designed at the same time with the intent that they be different. Most people would think that the 71's were designed after the 70 model.

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Hey Tav, do you have the actual numbers handy?




Sure, I just went out and grabbed a loose door insert and console top plate out of the shop. Here's the #'s right off the panels.

Here's all the #'s off the Door Insert first...
94200 (probably the vendor #)
W-3415834-NP-3415842-BASE
(maybe NP = Name Plate? which I'm thinking would be the Special Edition script.)
3415843-ASSY (just guessing this is the part # for the assembled SE Door Insert.)

W-3415606-MED-3415314-BASE
(maybe MED = Medalion? which I'm thinking would be the triangular Dodge emblem. I'm thinking the BASEs would have different part #'s becuase the emblem holes are drilled differently?)
3415312-ASSY-KASHMIR
3509253-ASSY-AMERICAN
(I think AMERICAN = American Walnut. Clearly there seems to be two different grains available, but so far no indication of which cars got which grain.)



Now for the console top plate. This is off of a slapstick car, and it's the 1970 only 4 hole version...
2879802-KASHMIR-F-SERIES
(F series would be 1970)
94200 (apparently the same vendor as the door inserts)
3509155-AMERICAN-G-SERIES
(G series would be 1971)
3509153-ASSY
508 ASSY
FRONT

That makes it look like the intention was to have 1970 be Kashmir & 1971 be American Walnut. Does this sound correct?
Tav

Re: 1970 Challenger door inserts [Re: cataclysm80] #451439
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This info is from another thread about the Rallye dash woodgrain...

Dave at PCG says in the original cars, the door woodgrain & the dash bezel grain did not match. Dave said he did 4 years research on all the woodgrain combinations,lettering and correct shade of browns. According to Dave at PCG, early & late year cars differed in woodgrain shade.

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