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Help. Cant get engine to stop missing :( #448341
08/24/09 07:54 PM
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I have a 340 that I recently was honed and reringed. I ran the engine before that and it ran fine with just a small miss that was due to one cylinders rings being no good. Well I honed it and reringed it and now it doesnt want to run right at all. The engine is exactly the same as it was before except I had the heads trued. Stock cam, edelbrock torker 2 intake and 600 cfm edelbrock carb. Running cheapy autozone headers. I started the engine up and it will sometimes idle okay without missing. If you rev it up to say 2000 rpm though it starts running rough and missing pretty bad. If you drive it will only rev to around 4000 rpm. Also its making noise up front and I dont know if its bad fuel causing that where its a high compression engine or if its lifters not doing right. So where should I start? Im about to pull my hair out with this engine.

Re: Help. Cant get engine to stop missing :( [Re: derekeh] #448342
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I wonder if the abrasives from the honing and with dis-assembly/reassembly contamination, you wound up wiping out the cam?

A cam that has gone round would cause similar symptoms.

Actually though, could be lots of things, simple to horrible.

Could even be an intake vacuum-leak, timing issues, distributor problem, etc.

Re: Help. Cant get engine to stop missing :( [Re: D_C] #448343
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I do have a brand new cam for this engine but I was wanting to run it a while with the stock cam first until the engine was broken in some. If I knew that was the problem for sure Id replace the cam. How can I tell? Also I just thought that ive had the gas in their 6 months so is it possible the gas is bad? Ive had gas in cars for well over that and not had any issues with it but would bad gas make it act like that?

Re: Help. Cant get engine to stop missing :( [Re: derekeh] #448344
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Take off the valve covers and rotate the engine and see if all the valves are moving up and down.
Also make sure that the 5 & 7 spark plug wires are not switched. Very easy to do being they are next to each other in both location and in the firing order.

Re: Help. Cant get engine to stop missing :( [Re: MoparforLife] #448345
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you need to find someone who knows engines... this is way beyond your knowledge... good luck dan

Re: Help. Cant get engine to stop missing :( [Re: ph23vo] #448346
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Quote:

you need to find someone who knows engines... this is way beyond your knowledge... good luck dan




how about we try to help the guy out and teach him something so he doesn't HAVE to go find someone else?

none of us were born knowing all about mopars, or engines, or...


I would start with a mechanical inspection of the engine. it's a 340? did those all come with solid cams? if it's a solid cam, how'd you set valve lash? check the pushrods to see if any are loose, rotate the engine and check every valve for movement, heck, put a dial gauge on them to see that they all open the same amount.

once that's done, put the valve covers back on, and start checking the ignition system...what are you running for an ignition system? points? stock electronic? MSD? you could have any one component that's gone bad and won't make enough juice to spark your engine at higher loads or RPMs.

I had a coil go bad on me once, you'd have thought I had a catostraphic engine failure, but 30 minutes later the thing started right up, leading me to suspect electrical gremlins showing up when it was hot


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Re: Help. Cant get engine to stop missing :( [Re: 70Cuda383] #448347
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Best Quote i've read on Moparts in a while: "how about we try to help the guy out and teach him something so he doesn't HAVE to go find someone else?

none of us were born knowing all about mopars, or engines, or..."

Well Said!


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Re: Help. Cant get engine to stop missing :( [Re: Hoof Hearted] #448348
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Okay I checked all the plug wires and they are in the correct places. I pulled the valve covers off and all of the rocker arms seem to be moving fine to me. I didnt have anything to check them with but I can if its recommended. Just by eyesight I couldnt tell that any were moving less distance than others. Oh yeah its hydraulic lifters. I do hear some noise in the engine I just havent located it. Ive been around plenty of engines with bad rod bearings and this doesnt sound anything like those. This miss is too random. Any other ideas?

Re: Help. Cant get engine to stop missing :( [Re: derekeh] #448349
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When you pulled the pistons did you pull the crank or did you pull one cylinder at a time?


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Re: Help. Cant get engine to stop missing :( [Re: Noblewk] #448350
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I pulled the crank.

Re: Help. Cant get engine to stop missing :( [Re: derekeh] #448351
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Did you degree the cam in when you put it back together or use the "dot to dot" method?

I have seen cams off as far a 8 degrees using the "dot to dot" method.


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Re: Help. Cant get engine to stop missing :( [Re: Noblewk] #448352
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Try retarding the initial timing back a few degrees and see if it gets better.I developed a miss at about 2000 rpm after replacing a timing chain on my 383.It would only run up to about 4000 max because of to much mech. advance.

Re: Help. Cant get engine to stop missing :( [Re: Noblewk] #448353
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I just lined the dots up. I figured since it was a stock cam it wouldnt matter but maybe I was wrong. And ive put the timing everywhere that itll run and it still misses.

Re: Help. Cant get engine to stop missing :( [Re: 70Cuda383] #448354
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[quoteI would start with a mechanical inspection of the engine. it's a 340? did those all come with solid cams? if it's a solid cam,



No, they did not. Only the T/A engines. So in essence not many.

Re: Help. Cant get engine to stop missing :( [Re: MoparforLife] #448355
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[quoteI would start with a mechanical inspection of the engine. it's a 340? did those all come with solid cams? if it's a solid cam,



No, they did not. Only the T/A engines. So in essence not many.




AH, thanks! see, I learned sumpthin in this thread too!

the noise you hear...does it sound like a sewing machine? when I first fired mine up, and actually got an exhaust on it, I heard the valve train and was SCARED I screwed it up! this is my first engine that I built, and I jumped head first into the deep end with a 500hp stroker big block!

turns out, what I ehard was normal valve train noise, even for a hydraulic cam.


I didn't remember the stock 2bbl 383 cam making all that noise though...and I keep forgetting...yours is a stock cam.

I'm willing to bet it's something in the electrical side of things.

if you lined up the dots, it should run like it did from the factory, because I'm sure the guys in the engine room back in the 70s did NOT degree the cam, they took boxes and boxes of stock parts, tossed em together, lining up dots, not measuring ring gaps, not checking bearing clearances, etc. they just put the stock parts together...so for a stock cam, "lining up the dots" SHOULD be good enough to get it running like a factory engine did--not missing, and able to spin higher than 4K.

if the valves appear to be moving the same, and the cam timing isn't WAY off, then it's either spark timing, or something electrical--coil, ignition box, distributor, etc.

again...is it points? stock electronic, or aftermarket like an MSD or Petronix?


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Re: Help. Cant get engine to stop missing :( [Re: MoparforLife] #448356
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[quoteI would start with a mechanical inspection of the engine. it's a 340? did those all come with solid cams? if it's a solid cam,



No, they did not. Only the T/A engines. So in essence not many.




The T/A cam was not a solid lifter cam,it was hydraulic with adjustable rockers.

Re: Help. Cant get engine to stop missing :( [Re: 70Cuda383] #448357
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Its been converted to pretty much a stock electronic ignition setup. Ive tried different distributors and even bought a new one for it. Tried different coils. Bought a new Ignition control unit. Ive also gone through various sets of plugs. Something else maybe i missed?

Re: Help. Cant get engine to stop missing :( [Re: derekeh] #448358
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I'd check rotor phasing then on a difficult case like this one go back to basics, a compression test, note idle vacuum(is it steady), secondary ign (plugs/wires/cap)


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Re: Help. Cant get engine to stop missing :( [Re: RapidRobert] #448359
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Back to the basics.Compression test and go from there.

Re: Help. Cant get engine to stop missing :( [Re: RapidRobert] #448360
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The idle vacuum is about 18... bumps around some when it starts missing but not by a great deal. Comnpression test shows 130 on the lowest cylinder and 150 on the highest.

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