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Is a sway bar REALLY THAT important...? #445597
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Is a sway bar really that important on a stock,no frills,zero performance oriented car such as a station wagon?

One of the sway bar brackets on the frame of my 72 Fury Wagon has broken the welds.

If I choose to take the sway bar off the front,will I notice any difference in handling? Im not running an Autocross or any other slalom type event. Just normal everday driving in traffic and such.

Is it safe to remove it?

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it will lean a bit more.
take it off and try it.

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You will notice. Makes a big difference on my '66 Charger. In modern traffic, keep the sway bar.

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Fix it so it works; put Nolothane Bushes on the rods on the ends & you will have a far better(safer) handling vehicle.
The factory put it there for a damn good reason. & new bushes will only make it better.

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If I choose to take the sway bar off the front,will I notice any difference in handling?




Yes!

Re: Is a sway bar REALLY THAT important...? [Re: SPWC] #445602
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One of the sway bar brackets on the frame of my 72 Fury Wagon has broken the welds.

If I choose to take the sway bar off the front,will I notice any difference in handling?

Is it safe to remove it?




If the broken sway bar bracket is the end link you will not notice a difference with it off because it is not connected anyways.

Now if you were able to connect it you would notice a difference.


Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
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What was the car doing when the sway bar broke,were you drivng it like it was a racer?

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Is a sway bar really that important on a stock,no frills,zero performance oriented car such as a station wagon?





Good tires and bigger rims will improve the handling making a swaybar optional in my opinion.

Back in the day I use to run my Dart with a huge addico swaybar and crap tires and 14" rims. Now I have a Duster with no swaybar with 15" x 8" rims with modern performace radials and it handles very well.

As good as the Dart? The Dart was a pretty flat handling car and I give it the slight edge but the Duster I can push pretty damn hard in the corners.

I plan on getting bar for it because I'm spoiled by modern handling cars (I had a Spirit R/T that I'd get one of the rear tires to lift cranking around corners) and like to push.

For the average guy, lack of swaybar not a deal killer if the rubber is good.

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So is it possible the sway bar bracket was actually doing a good job before it broke and the fact that it broke might indicate that it indeed was being decently loaded and therefore working?

I would repair it.


Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Is a sway bar really that important on a stock,no frills,zero performance oriented car such as a station wagon?

One of the sway bar brackets on the frame of my 72 Fury Wagon has broken the welds.

If I choose to take the sway bar off the front,will I notice any difference in handling? Im not running an Autocross or any other slalom type event. Just normal everday driving in traffic and such.

Is it safe to remove it?


Anti-sway bars are an important handling aid on any car and imparticular big iron like a wagon. Fix it!! And while your at it add one to the rear if it doesn't have one. Had a 78 Newyorker with only a front bar. At speed it was scary. Added a 7/8" rear bar and it was like driving another car. What an improvement. I race a big "B" body car ( over 4,000 lbs.) Pulled the front bar off once to try and save a little weight up front ( it also has a rear bar ). It wasn't worth the discomfort at the big end of the track. Put it back on. I also believe the rear bar helps keep the car nice and flat at launch.


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Anti-sway bars are an important handling aid on any car and imparticular big iron like a wagon.




My 3800lb '70 GTX handled fine without the front one being hooked up for years.

Romping through the traps at 124 mph, plenty of power on tap too.

Ma Mopar churned out millions of cars without bars, not that important to some folks.

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Anti-sway bars are an important handling aid on any car and imparticular big iron like a wagon.




My 3800lb '70 GTX handled fine without the front one being hooked up for years.

Romping through the traps at 124 mph, plenty of power on tap too.

Ma Mopar churned out millions of cars without bars, not that important to some folks.





"handled fine" boy there's a subjective answer.

Ask yourself this: Do you REALLY think Chrysler would've spent the money to install those if they weren't effective/ useful/ needed?

Just a thought..........

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What was the car doing when the sway bar broke,were you drivng it like it was a racer?




I Just got the car driveable yesterday,and took it on its maiden voyage after being parked since 1998 by the pevious owner. I am sure the sway bar bracket was broke by the P.O. as I only drove the car down a 1 mile strip at a speed of only 25-30 mph,and then back to storage due to the rains coming in.

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"handled fine" boy there's a subjective answer.






No doubt and I agree, hence I gave examples of what I was driving. What one person thinks is acceptible will not be to another.

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Ask yourself this: Do you REALLY think Chrysler would've spent the money to install those if they weren't effective/ useful/ needed?






I could and will turn your argument against you.

Chrysler made millions of cars WITHOUT them, clearly in those applications they felt the money spent was not justified.

My Duster handles just fine without one with modern rubber and wheels, but I still want one since I'm a corner burner and know this will flatten out the car better in the corners.

The GTX belts out in excess of 600hp to the wheels and I had no problems steering with one hand (manual steering no less) while rowing the shifter with slicks out back with 8 pounds of air inflation.

And I have owned that car since '86 with plenty of street miles under its wheels.

The owner of the wagon who posted states it is a zero performance vehicle, in **his** case I doubt he would notice it missing.

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What was the car doing when the sway bar broke,were you drivng it like it was a racer?




I Just got the car driveable yesterday,and took it on its maiden voyage after being parked since 1998 by the pevious owner. I am sure the sway bar bracket was broke by the P.O. as I only drove the car down a 1 mile strip at a speed of only 25-30 mph,and then back to storage due to the rains coming in.


It's a beauty! Love them old wagons.


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Certain vehicles clearly need them, as I found out a few years ago driving a ladies early nineties caravan. That thing was quite the rolly polly turd. Raised it up, started poking around underneath and found the sway bar to be broken under the frame isolater, that sneak!

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It's a beauty! Love them old wagons.




Are you sure your talking about the same car? Heres pics I took of its maiden voyage








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The GTX belts out in excess of 600hp to the wheels and I had no problems steering with one hand (manual steering no less) while rowing the shifter with slicks out back with 8 pounds of air inflation.




That's a real poor example, as you (I guess) are referring to dragstrip scenerio

Chrysler may have made "millions" without them but generally these were lower performance cars. My old 64 Dodge 426 (440 body) had the biggest brakes Ma made, and a swaybar. My LATER 64 440 "Golden Anniversary" which came with a 318 had puny brakes and NO swaybar (I guess Ma figured we 318 owners didn't need to stop as fast.)

OF COURSE you can drive it without, that doesn't mean it won't make a sizeable effect. It just might be, who knows??? that that wild eyed whoopa you might make sometime avoiding that stupid dear in the road---that swaybar MIGHT just be the difference as to whether you hit the deer or not, or land in the ditch.

Been there, done that.

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It's a beauty! Love them old wagons.




Are you sure your talking about the same car? Heres pics I took of its maiden voyage










Actually I was referring to the 65, but the 72 could be just as nice - lots a good sheet metal there. Most wagons came with sway bars. If it's big, heavy, hauls a load, it needs and can benifit form a sway bar.


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is that the wagon that was on craiglist around the Payson area?


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