Re: victor or tunnel ram?
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The tr will have the edge, probably by 30 + hp. See if you can scrounge one of the M1 mopar tr manifolds, They are a nice piece. On carb selection , carb type is going to be very important and based on cam, rpm range, final cubic inch size, head flow. My WAG is to stay with something in the 600 cfm to 650 cfm range, designed for this app.
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Re: victor or tunnel ram?
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on a 400 with roller cam and max ported 906 heads what intake would make the most power. victor with a dom. or a tunnel ram? and how big can you go on carbs for the tr? thanks
I have ran both. Currently an m-1 TR but the victor 4150 with adapter to a dominator works really well and easy to tune.
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Re: victor or tunnel ram?
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When the M1 TR came out in the early 90s Mopar Perf claimed it made more hp than the "Competitors" tunnel ram.
Keep old mopars alive.
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Re: victor or tunnel ram?
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In the 08 spring issue of Hot Rod mag do it your self series on Engines they tested 18 different intakes on a mild 383 then on a stout 383. On the stout 383 they used three tunnel rams and some other single carb intakes. Peak Tq/hp = Offy TR- 467/516, M1 TR - 468/537, Weiand TR- 494/540, Eddy Victor - 462/517. Not much difference except the price tag, to go with a TR you are looking at min 3x the cost. 
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Re: victor or tunnel ram?
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When the M1 TR came out in the early 90s Mopar Perf claimed it made more hp than the "Competitors" tunnel ram.
Yeah, right.
I'll take numbers from an independent source thanks... especially against a NEW design; not something that the 'competitors' designed ten-plus years ago.
I remember reading the article, but I can't remember it well... Quote:
...they used three tunnel rams and some other single carb intakes. Peak Tq/hp = Offy TR- 467/516, M1 TR - 468/537, Weiand TR- 494/540, Eddy Victor - 462/517.
... but I'm guessing the 'competitor' wasn't Weiand! Kinda' hurts, since I got the M1 myself! Quote:
Not much difference except the price tag, to go with a TR you are looking at min 3x the cost.
Not if you shop right. I picked up a new-in-box low-deck M1 with two good used 770 CFM AVS carbs, delivered to my door for about two bills and small change. About what the manifold would sell for. Add $50 for some homespun throttle linkage, and a couple extra fuel fittings... didn't go over $300; not close to triple the price of putting on a good second hand Victor and good used Dommy.
Hell, it even drives pretty nice on the street (both with 383 and 489 inch shortblocks); can't ask more than that! Well, unless you ask to not get out-horsed by a Weiand... 
I have to go get my WAAAAH on now - oh wait, I just did. 
-Bill
Seduce the attractive, and charm the rest.
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489 C.I.D., roller cam, aftermarket heads, tunnel ram, stock '54 Dodge rear axle assembly: which of these doesn't belong?
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Re: victor or tunnel ram?
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When the M1 TR came out in the early 90s Mopar Perf claimed it made more hp than the "Competitors" tunnel ram.
Yeah, right.
I'll take numbers from an independent source thanks... especially against a NEW design; not something that the 'competitors' designed ten-plus years ago.
I remember reading the article, but I can't remember it well... Quote:
...they used three tunnel rams and some other single carb intakes. Peak Tq/hp = Offy TR- 467/516, M1 TR - 468/537, Weiand TR- 494/540, Eddy Victor - 462/517.
... but I'm guessing the 'competitor' wasn't Weiand! Kinda' hurts, since I got the M1 myself! Quote:
Not much difference except the price tag, to go with a TR you are looking at min 3x the cost.
Not if you shop right. I picked up a new-in-box low-deck M1 with two good used 770 CFM AVS carbs, delivered to my door for about two bills and small change. About what the manifold would sell for. Add $50 for some homespun throttle linkage, and a couple extra fuel fittings... didn't go over $300; not close to triple the price of putting on a good second hand Victor and good used Dommy.
Hell, it even drives pretty nice on the street (both with 383 and 489 inch shortblocks); can't ask more than that! Well, unless you ask to not get out-horsed by a Weiand...
I have to go get my WAAAAH on now - oh wait, I just did.
-Bill
I was referring to new parts  there always seems to be that one person on Moparts, your such a funny guy
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Re: victor or tunnel ram?
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I just went and googled... http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/hrdp_0801_mopar_intake_manifolds/mopar_performance_manifold.htmlThis has the second stage w/ the ported heads and hotter cam. The highest average (3100-6500) 4 and 8 bbl setups: The M1: Peak torque: 468 lb-ft @ 5,400 Peak horsepower: 537 hp @ 6,400 Average 3,100-5,000: 417 lb-ft, 326 hp Average 5,000-6,500: 458 lb-ft, 501 hp Average 3,100-6,500: 435 lb-ft, 403 hp Weiand Hi-Ram: Peak torque: 494 lb-ft @ 4,900 Peak horsepower: 540 hp @ 6,500 Average 3,100-5,000: 444 lb-ft, 346 hp Average 5,000-6,500: 468 lb-ft, 511 hp Average 3,100-6,500: 453 lb-ft, 418 hp Victor 383: Peak torque: 462 lb-ft @ 5,100 Peak horsepower: 517 hp @ 6,500 Average 3,100-5,000: 421 lb-ft, 328 hp Average 5,000-6,500: 445 lb-ft, 486 hp Average 3,100-6,500: 431 lb-ft, 397 hp Performer RPM: Peak torque: 470 lb-ft @ 5,000 Peak horsepower: 505 hp @ 6,500 Average 3,100-5,000: 440 lb-ft, 343 hp Average 5,000-6,500: 444 lb-ft, 485 hp Average 3,100-6,500: 441 lb-ft, 404 hp But, at least the M1 TR looks cooler than the RPM -Bill
Seduce the attractive, and charm the rest.
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489 C.I.D., roller cam, aftermarket heads, tunnel ram, stock '54 Dodge rear axle assembly: which of these doesn't belong?
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Re: victor or tunnel ram?
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In the 08 spring issue of Hot Rod mag do it your self series on Engines they tested 18 different intakes on a mild 383 then on a stout 383. On the stout 383 they used three tunnel rams and some other single carb intakes. Peak Tq/hp = Offy TR- 467/516, M1 TR - 468/537, Weiand TR- 494/540, Eddy Victor - 462/517. Not much difference except the price tag, to go with a TR you are looking at min 3x the cost.
are you aware that the intake is on backward???
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Re: victor or tunnel ram?
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In the 08 spring issue of Hot Rod mag do it your self series on Engines they tested 18 different intakes on a mild 383 then on a stout 383. On the stout 383 they used three tunnel rams and some other single carb intakes. Peak Tq/hp = Offy TR- 467/516, M1 TR - 468/537, Weiand TR- 494/540, Eddy Victor - 462/517. Not much difference except the price tag, to go with a TR you are looking at min 3x the cost.
are you aware that the intake is on backward???
Nothing is bolted together in that picture!
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