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Re: Sam's Red Rocket
[Re: Johnny V]
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03/25/10 02:00 AM
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Mercurymarc
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Sam and Johnny V- thanks for the comments about my website... Good luck with the rolling! Thinner is better, that's for darn sure! My paint is hard enough (White thinned about 30% until it was like nonfat milk). I think you don't really need test panels- I used my hood a took my time. It got a few more "practice coats" than the rest of the car but I figure it protects better that way against rock chips... Here is my ride after 1 year as my daily driver on a nice March afternoon in San Francisco...  Link to the White Comet Web Story...
Marc in SF
63 Blue Comet 260 Sedan- White w/blue stripes
Done using the "$50 Paint Job" method!
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Re: Sam's Red Rocket
[Re: RoboGeek]
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03/25/10 02:39 AM
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I think over time we have all learned that the rolling just adds the paint.. its the surface prep and the final sanding that makes this work.
We have also been experimenting with hardeners, which real seem to help on the final results. rolledon.com is where us hard core rollers are..
I agree, except when it comes to big runs.. i have a couple that i can't get completely flat, definately take your time and put on thin coats. 
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Re: Sam's Red Rocket
[Re: Exit1965]
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03/25/10 08:43 PM
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RoboGeek
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We have also been experimenting with hardeners, which real seem to help on the final results.
Can you summarize what is known about the hardeners?
I was one of the first here to paint my car with Brightside, no hardener, and even now (3+ years later??) I can make a mark in the paint with my fingernail.
My car is garaged all the time, and I don't drive it much, but I wonder if sun exposure would harden it. Something tells me it's about as hard as it's going to get at this point, having spent 3 summers in a garage that gets up to 110 degrees or so on the hottest days.
The problem with the paint staying soft is usually too thick of layers when you paint, or not letting it dry long enough between layers. What happens is the surface flashes and traps the volatiles underneath. It never completely hardens.
Sun might help, but I doubt it. It probably also doesn't shine up nearly as good as it could if its that soft.
Hardener reacts with the volatiles and the enamel, acting as a catalyst that chemically changes them, so no trapped volatiles and a much harder paint
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Re: Sam's Red Rocket
[Re: joeshmo]
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03/25/10 08:49 PM
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Cornfields of Illinois
RoboGeek
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Does anyone have any experience with high build primer? The paint on my hood is highly oxidized so there are little pits and scratches all over, but it's only in the paint. I sanded 60-100-120-220 and I can still see the pits and ect. I really don't want to bondo the entire hood, not do I have any desire to sand down to metal. Could I simply roll a high-build automotive primer over the well-sanded paint and expect it to fill these minor imperfections?
my whole car looked like this:
I used the rustoleum primer for rusty metal to fill in the imperfections. Bare metal was even pitted on mine!
it came out pretty good..
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Re: Sam's Red Rocket
[Re: 1971ford]
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03/26/10 09:30 PM
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Johnny V
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Hey all,
I tried to add pictures of my progress but they wouldn't show up. Is there something I am doing wrong?
Anyway, I have rollered my first coat. It was a little over two days ago. I performed a scratch test and it is rock hard, despite the cold and crappy weather here. I'm gonna continue tomorrow with a second coat and so on.
Question : Should I have primed it after I laid down body filler? I noticed that the areas of filler are not as shiny as the rest of the paint.
Thanks.
98 Dodge Dakota
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Re: Sam's Red Rocket
[Re: RoboGeek]
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03/30/10 02:21 PM
03/30/10 02:21 PM
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Anderson, IN
Johnny V
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Okay I've gotten three coats on the tailgate. I think that it is laying down real smooth, but I think I may be thinning it too much so I am going to try to thicken it a little tonight for the fourth coat. Coat 1  Coat 2  Coat 3  Sorry for the extremely large photos!
98 Dodge Dakota
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Re: 88 Dodge Dakota
[Re: BigTerry]
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03/31/10 08:10 PM
03/31/10 08:10 PM
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Cornfields of Illinois
RoboGeek
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actually we do our race cars with rustoleum yellow on the chassis and cage (easy to see cracks with yellow). We spray that and we spray some of the other parts.
It sprays just like any other single stage paint. The advantage of rolling it is you can do it anywhere, with no overspray. Plus its cheaper if you don't have a paint gun setup already. You'll use more paint spraying, since some of it becomes overspray
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Re: 88 Dodge Dakota
[Re: BigTerry]
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04/01/10 06:25 PM
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Cornfields of Illinois
RoboGeek
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spraying it is exactly the same as any single stage paint job - same results. Rolling it will give you equally good results.. but coming at it a totally different way Spraying gives you a nice even coat that needs little sanding, but has all the problems associated with it - overspray and problems with the air supply - mainly water in the lines on humid days. Rolling gives you nice even coats, but with orange peel, which you sand out every couple coats. Your trading sweat equity in the rolling/sanding for not needing expensive spray equipment, no overspray getting on everything, etc either way comes out the same if you take the same care prepping it. here's mine, one year later!!  still a darn nice looking $500 winter beater!!
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