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New Paint job on a budget thread Part III [Re: Marq] #38774
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I just bought some of the pearls on ebay. I am going to try them on some test patches and I will post my results.

I need another project to paint.

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I am doing body work right now, getting ready to paint but i need these questions answered please!

has anyone put brightside over a very large area of bare metal?
The way the old paint is flaking im going to have half of the whole truck in bare metal so im hoping the brightside sticks as well as what i hear. id rather not use rustoleum primer but i guess i will if the brightside doesnt like bare metal as much as it would primer.

also, i remember a member here painted his dart red but it wouldnt buff well so he had to change colors. will i have problems buffing the brightside fire red with Aussie driver's suggestions?

and lastly, what should the body work be finished off with on the old paint, bondo and bare metal so the brightside sticks well?

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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III [Re: 1971ford] #38776
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You need to prime over the bare metal and the body filler, I found the Brightside actually gave better coverage over he parts of my truck that had been primered.

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hmmm ok i will. what kind of primer? rustoleum rattlecan??
what do i finish sanding my whole body with for the brightside to stick the best?

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hmmm ok i will. what kind of primer? rustoleum rattlecan??
what do i finish sanding my whole body with for the brightside to stick the best?




I just used Duplicolor lacquer primer nothing fancy, bought it at autozone down the street worked just fine. You need to sand every part that the paint will go on, the time you send now will show up in the finished paint job.
my door in prime after major repair.


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Door before, I bonded a whole new piece along the bottom, plus ground out some old bondo along the top of the door.


Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III [Re: 69DartGT] #38780
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Thanks. im guessing the duplicolor laquer primer is a rattlecan?
I spent all today and got half the truck sanded with 60 grit. what should i finish sanding all the body with so the paint will stick the best? i read someone here suggested 120 and 69charger said he prepped with 400 for paint. which one

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I used 320 in a power sander & 400 by hand, 60 takes a lot off fast but leaves big scratches that have to be filled or sanded out.
I used a spray gun to shoot the lacquer primer, I think it gave better coverage than a rattle can.

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This will work right? i just bought two cans of it for tomorrow.

Does it matter what grit sandpaper I use to sand the metal and bondo to for this primer to stick the best? im guessing i'll sand the metal and bondo to about 120, then spray the primer, then sand it all down with 400 for paint??

THanks for the help, this should be the last of the questions. I am doing all the painting through next week. I'll post pictures when done!

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For work over body fillers, you normally want a "primer surfacer." That is, a high-build primer to fill small scratches and other minor imperfections. "Primer Sealer" is used after you have the surface perfect and just want a uniform surface to paint over. It is a thinner primer and won't fill scratches like a primer-surfacer will. It also helps reduce the amount of penetration of the paint solvents into the lower primer layers.

My experience with rattle can primers is that even the "high-build" primer-surfacers are really thin and don't fill minor scratches well. And they swell when painted over, and later shrink to expose scratches that you thought you filled. Moral of the story: don't spray rattle can primer over scratches more coarse than about 200-grit.

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sounds good, thanks!
tomorrow i will trade in the primer sealer for their primer surfacer, and ill use may be 240 grit for sanding before the primer.

im ording the brightside right now, how many quarts would you guys guesstimate for a long bed truck? including interior and inside bed. Im guessing 3 quarts? and 1 quart of #333 brushing liquid for thinner

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There is a hell of a lot of reading to do in these threads. Add to them the various web pages on this and there is a lot to take in.

I've started this process on my daily driver, 318... bmw (perhaps one day it'll get a warmed over 318 v8 then perhaps the badge won't be so misleading).

Anyhow I'm having some interesting issues with painting mine rustoleum gloss black, I definitely believe for sure now it is in fact the hardest color to do.

I'm getting weird rings/lines in my paint. Here is the latest coat on my hood after sanding some 2000 grit on the 8th coat.

Note: the parts that are really shining are still quite dark black.



It seems to be the coat(s) below, but I've also sanded those coats, perhaps not well enough? the process I followed was 320 grit to get the old paint ruffed up and the pealing clear coat off, then after 2nd coat it was 400 grit, then the 4th coat 400 grit, the 6th and 8th coats were 800 (couldn't get hold of any 600). My paint is pretty close to 50/50 and roughly the thickness of milk, may be a bit thinner. Painting in the Spring Southern California sun with little to no humidity.

Right now on coat 10 I've tried both 1000 and 2000 grit and if I get rid of some of the lines in one spot, another spot seems to "go through" and I have to go after that one. Not enough sanding, not enough dry time between coats (about 3 hours between coats, and a minimum of 6 hours for sanding)? The paint feels very dry when ever I sand or even paint, and I make sure the paint is smooth enough not to catch a finger nail or have any feel-able dips in the paint.

Thanks, and sorry if I'm asking something thats been answered, I tried reading as much of the threads as I possibly could.

Dustin

PS, here is a shot of the "completed" trunk with 6 coats on it, and 600 grit after every other coat and 2000 grit, rubbing compound and a polish. In red I outlined the same problem I'm having as above


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Welcome and Good Luck Dustin-
I have heard that black is the hardest color to apply and shows more imperfections than any other color.

I used VERY thin paint rolled on, and waited 20 hrs minimum and sometimes several days or weeks. You might try waiting longer and see what happens.

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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III [Re: 69DartGT] #38787
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Im wondering how much paint should be on the truck for a single coat? Im following the 4 coat process that another member posted. I just need an idea of how thick a single coat is. Do i follow the rustoleum idea of very thin coats? I dont think so because with only 4 coats that would not be alot of coverage. when should my old paint, and primer be covered, 2nd or 3rd coat?
thanks

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hey guys. I havn't really fallen off the face of the earth, just been really buisy. I've redone a few things as far as body work goes, might get some pics soon. All the latest projects are looking really good


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These is after 3 coats, notice how much better the door is covered, I completely primed it & if I had it to do over I'd prime the whole truck first.


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alright i exchanged the primer sealer for the duplicolor heavy build primer.
right now ive got all the bondo spread on the trucks dents/rough spots, tomorrow, saturday and sunday i will spend all day sanding the truck as straight as i can.

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I have amended your recipe for using the Brightside paint

At this point I believe that it is better to plan on four coats. For boats the manufactuer says that two coats of paint straight from the can will do the job. But what we have learned through trial and testing is that a boat owners quest for a high gloss shine is different than our quest for a super-high-gloss shine on a car.

Since I am suggesting cutting the paint with 10% product 333 Brushing liquid for the first two coats... I look at that as only equaling one coat. The third coat is cut with 5% Brushing liquid... because hopefully you are more comfortable with the rolling technique at this point and we are laying on a little more color solids. By the time you hit the fourth layer you can go with straight paint or cut with 5%.

The extra bit of paint using this four coat system will leave you with enough paint on the car ( after having gone through a number of wet sandings that removed some of the paint ) so that you still have plenty for when you go at the paint with the polisher and the compounding polish.

The following recipe may require some alteration on the fly depending on
a) whether you encounter problems with any of the layers that needs drastic corrections or repainting.. and
b) the choice of color that you have chosen. It would appear that the percentage of solids ( color pigments ) in the various colors varies. One color may provide better coverage then another. I find that red in both Brightside and the Tremclad/Rustoleum is more translucent then say a white or a dark blue.

At this point the bodywork is all done.

Step #1
a) Wash car down thoroughly with cloth and bucket of water with a little bit of liquid detergent ( dish detergent ). Rinse thoroughly. Let sit and thoroughly dry.
b) using a Tack cloth wipe down entire body of car.
c) Coat #1 thinned 10% with #333. No need to wet sand this step.
d) Let paint cure for 24 hours.

Step #2
a) using a Tack cloth wipe down entire body of car to get any dust, bugs, hair or other contaminents that may have fallen on your first layer of paint while it was curing.
b) Coat #2 thinned 10% with #333.
c) Let dry 24 hours.
d) Wet sand with 400 to 600 grit looking to level the surface so that it is level, with no ripples, bubbles, etc.
e) Wash car down thoroughly with cloth and bucket of water with a little bit of liquid detergent ( dish detergent ). Rinse thoroughly. Let sit and thoroughly dry.


Step #3
a) using a Tack cloth wipe down entire body of car to get any dust, bugs, hair or other contaminents off the paint.
b) Coat #3 thinned 5% with #333. No need to wet sand this step unless there are any visual defects that you want to address. If so...wet sand with 400 to 600 grit looking to level the surface so that it is level, with no ripples, bubbles, etc.
e) Wash car down thoroughly with cloth and bucket of water with a little bit of liquid detergent ( dish detergent ). Rinse thoroughly.
f) Let sit for 24 hours .


Step 4
a) using a Tack cloth wipe down entire body of car to get any dust, bugs, hair or other contaminents off the paint.
b) Coat #4 thinned 5% with #333 or straight from the can ( depending on your confidence level at this point ).
c) Let dry 24 hours.
d) Wet sand with 800 or 1000 grit looking to level the surface so that it is level, with no ripples, bubbles, etc.
e) Wash car down thoroughly with cloth and bucket of water with a little bit of liquid detergent ( dish detergent ). Rinse thoroughly. Let sit and thoroughly dry.

You should at this stage be able to do a 1500 wet sanding and then a 2000 wet sanding - with thorough washings and rinsing at the end of each wet sand session.

The body 'should' have a uniform dull shine at this point with no patches of 'shiny' in the otherwise dulled but somewhat shiney surface.


How long between painting and wetsanding? - Always at least 24 hours... the manufacturer recommends 18 hours... but times will vary due to temperatures, humidity, etc.

How long between wetsanding and painting? The body needs to be thoroughly washed down after the wet sanding. So 24 hours is a good rule of thumb to ensure that no moisture is left in the roughened paint.

How long between wetsanding and polishing? When you get to the final step four.. you will be doing a series of wet sandings, increasing the grit with each sanding. Then you will have to again give the car a thorough wash down. So again it is worthwhile to let the car dry for 24 hours if for no other reason than to give yourself a break and so that you can be 'fresh and wide awake' when you begin the polishing stage.


How long between polishing and waxing? Once you complete your polishing to a level of shine and gloss that is acceptable to you... you can proceed to the wax stage almost immediately to seal up all the work you did.

Hope this info helps...




This was posted by another member here quite a few pages back, i forget where or else i would include the poster name. But he mentions thinning it with 333 (which i have with me right now) 10% and 5% later.
I am guessing brightside is different than rustoleum because this seems like barely any thinning. so i would fill my paint cup to 9 and complete it to 10 with the 333 brushing liquid?

69dartgt, is this basically what you did? or did you thin yours more?

THanks! i should be laying paint down in a few days.

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I used mineral spirits and thinned and stirred to the point where when I pulled the stir stick up I'd count 1 thru 10 hoping to see the paint go from a stream off the stick to drops around the count of 6-8 at that point I'd start painting.
Hope that makes sense.
Nothing wrong with the 333 but figured what the heck nothing to loose.
BTW I had to sand my 1st coat off because I put the paint on too thick, many light coasts are better then a few heavy coats.

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So been reading this for awhile and decided to give it a shot. Against my tuner religion to sign up for a Mopar site being a JDM head but I have not skimmed or come across anyone who has painted carbon fiber.

Did I miss it or has no one thought about doing it yet? Only reason I am considering it is because I have a carbon fiber hood and due to the elements and the car sitting the hood is now faded. I am very much a fan of the "sleeper" look and would love to paint it but unsure if the process would differ due to the material. Any advice would be awesome.

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welcome, We've had a few tuner guys here before. So I don't think you'll have to worry.

I've seen carbon fiber painted before. The prep prosess isn't any differant from any other matirial, I've got a friend who painted his carbon fiber wing about three years ago and it still looks great.


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