With the delay box you still have to let go of the button just like any trans brake car with out a box. If your late your late with or without a box. The only difference is how you adjust to get the the light you want. Without a box you change the car to get the lite you want within the limits of the car. The delay box does the same thing.

I think some people think a delay box automatically means .00 lite

My response was quite simply put, on a .500 tree there is no way I can add enough rollout to stay green, unless I were to add 30" tall tires and throw some 500 plus pounds in the car, not gonna happen, I'll just stop running the class and I won't cry about it. However if you think it is not an advantage to those bottom bulb racers who are already set up for a .500 full tree bottom amber flash then you my friend are insane. Again I am sure that I could make my car react without the delay box(rollout box) to hit the tree, but not in a feasible way to switch between that and bracket mode. It is funny how things have gotten misinterpreted. I said that I was okay with going to .500 tree, it does not bother me, anyone that knows me at the track knows that I am a huge advocate for close races. I get very little satisfaction out of non close races, and was very congratulatory of Pat Norton for the butt kicking he laid on me at Martin. I don't see there being a easy equalizer for the heavy cars to cut a .400 tree, but if they go to .500 it will be extremely easy for them to go .00 to .01 and an easy equalizer for the light weight cars is to allow the rollout box to make them leave no different than the heavy cars. Lets party, lets everyone get off the line with .00 lights and see what happens at the stripe, makes no difference to me. And yes I was being sarcastic about the Super Gas cars since they all seem to be running 150mph and are capable of launching under 1.24 60'.

Please don't take all my comments out of context

Lonnie, get the Biondo button and you wouldn't need the delay box. Use the full travel of the button and you'll be fine. I'm thinking that .100 difference will be the fact that we can't see the tree coming down and you won't react as quick to the 3 yellows coming on at the same time, so between that and the longer traveling button, we'd be fine.

the advantage a light car like you have lonnie is that it reacts way quicker and is going to 60 foot better than the typical 10 flat car like mine.

how many pro stock guys go red racing 2350 pound cars on a 400 tree ?

its way easier to judge a race getting out on everybody than it is being behind,that isnt a big secret coming. out of the gate.a light car is going to move quicker, and 60 foot way better..my car would go mid 1.20's if it weighed even 2800-2900 pounds

i think you are a great friver and would do good no matter the rules, but its insanely silly to think guys dont have one hand tied bhind their backs going to the line in a heavy car without a box,on a 400 tree

how many nhra 9.90 class cars do you see without a box that weigh over 3000 pounds..none, they know they would never win with that handicap, good driver or not.

i really guess i dont care about the weight of all the cars, or even a delay box(although other 10 flat races i have ever been in dont allow boxes and have minimum weights)the reason is beacuse they want it to be fair for everybody so they get good car counts.

i say go 500 tree, lets give everybody a swing at a 00 light that can hit the tree and let the driver, not the car and electronics decide it.

thinking any other way is flat out disingenious,you know it and i know it...

nhra mark hit the nail on the head in his post.

ok first off I didnt read the WHOLE thing so excuse me if this has already been stated.

I just dont get how light cars or delay boxes or anything have an effect on this race. You are allowed to deep stage right? if so why cant the "less advantaged" cars just deepstage and cut a light?

I think the rules should be left alone... its a great class with more and more cars every event

Casey

"Right now though I can almost see John Cope ripping his hair out."


Was thinking same thing. If this becomes too much of a pain why would anyone want to deal with it? Valid points have been made. I'm sure John & Eddie are aware of them. Must this be to death?

Well, I still have all my hair, and if the vote at Norwalk goes .500s tree, I am ok with that.
It would be nice if all the CRT 10.Os have the same rules, this year the 10.O will be at Monster Mopar, and I am going to work on getting Mop Nats for 2010. Yes at times it can be a pain, but I feel it worth it. For the most part, all us 10.O racers have fun, and are good buddies. In the end I would like to see the 10.O grow in car count, and everybody have fun racing.

I still got my hair. What the kids have left that is.

Hehehe

Without a delay box, all you have to do is time yourself with your brain to cut a light. That is what all the no-box and footbrake racers have to do. A slow car can't be made to react quicker by the driver because that would require seeing the light before it came on.

Or you could mechanically setup your car to react 0.500 (like all the no-box cars do), and when you race Super Pro, put the box back in with the appropriate delay (ie if you put .110 in now, put .010 in with the car setup for .500 instead of .400. The box is adjusting the final/total reaction time you see on the timeslip. Rollout is geometry, not time.

The bottom line is you can do it, it is just harder without a delay box. And that is the delay box advantage, difficulty not "possible or not"

I agree this is a fun class, and I hope everybody realizes that. My points are intended to get more cars to enter by giving them a chance to cut the same light as the next racer. And more bracket cars can cut 0.500 than 0.400.