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Thin head gasket ? #367925 07/06/09 11:48 AM 07/06/09 11:48 AM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,746 Ontario, Canada Dodgem OP master
Dodgem OP master Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,746 Ontario, Canada	What are everyone's thoughts on using this gasket alone as a head gasket. I need to replace a copper head gasket leaking oil so I thought this is dead soft and basically a thin copper gasket so if I painted it real well both sides with that sticky permatex stuff why would it not seal??? Course if it did not I could change it back out and go with 1009. Need more compression http://chucker54.stores.yahoo.net/felprohehesp.html Not afraid to try so thought's?? oh block is o-ringed and I don't intend to put rings back in 5336228-.020gasket.jpg (85 downloads)

Re: Thin head gasket ? [Re: Dodgem] #367926 07/06/09 03:23 PM 07/06/09 03:23 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 26,000 Rio Linda, CA John_Kunkel Too Many Posts
John_Kunkel Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 26,000 Rio Linda, CA	It says to use it only as a shim for a conventional gasket?? I've used dead soft copper with block O rings and Coppercoat but never without the rings, don't see any advantage to copper without the rings. The INTERNET, the MISinformation superhighway

Re: Thin head gasket ? [Re: Dodgem] #367927 07/06/09 07:12 PM 07/06/09 07:12 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 344 Burlington, Ontario Canada Dave_S enthusiast
Dave_S enthusiast Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 344 Burlington, Ontario Canada	I use the M/P steel shim (.020) gasket on my eddy headed 440. Used lots of Permatex copper spray sealer. 11 to 1 comp. Been two years now with no problems. Dave Stillie '73 Swinger 5.7 Hemi, 88mm turbo, powerglide, cal-tracs & 8 3/4 Mega-Squirt EFI [email]8.93@149 [/email]

Re: Thin head gasket ? [Re: Dodgem] #367928 07/06/09 08:16 PM 07/06/09 08:16 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 6,293 Rock Springs Bob_Coomer master
Bob_Coomer master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 6,293 Rock Springs	Quote: What are everyone's thoughts on using this gasket alone as a head gasket. I need to replace a copper head gasket leaking oil so I thought this is dead soft and basically a thin copper gasket so if I painted it real well both sides with that sticky permatex stuff why would it not seal??? Course if it did not I could change it back out and go with 1009. Need more compression [url=http://chucker54.stores.yahoo.net/felprohehesp.html]http: //chucker54.stores.yahoo.n /felprohehesp.html[/url] Not afraid to try so thought's?? oh block is o-ringed and I don't intend to put rings back in Wont work, I would NOT chance it. Ever see a Torched block and piston before? It will make you sick to ruin your motor. [color:"red"]65 Hemi Belvedere coming soon [/color] [color:"#00FF00"]557" Indy engine 1.07 60ft 144mph in the 8th 2100 lbs package [/color]

Re: Thin head gasket ? [Re: Bob_Coomer] #367929 07/06/09 10:54 PM 07/06/09 10:54 PM
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Dodgem OP master Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,746 Ontario, Canada	Thanks guys I may try it anyways with sticky paint on Permatex looks like a thin soft copper gasket to me. Just .020 instead of .032 to .062?? I'll order them with extra 1009 gaskets and keep a close eye on it any hint of problems and back off!! Thanks again Of course once I get them I can get a good look at them

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Re: Thin head gasket ? #367931 07/06/09 11:34 PM 07/06/09 11:34 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 5,314 Carstairs, Alberta, Canada dave571 master
dave571 master Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 5,314 Carstairs, Alberta, Canada	"Fel Pro - Wedge Headsaver Spacer Shim" It's not even a gasket, by it's own description. Some have used the .020 gasket with success. Cometic makes a pretty good MLS gasket that is only .027. Good products with proven results

Re: Thin head gasket ? [Re: Dodgem] #367932 07/07/09 11:05 AM 07/07/09 11:05 AM
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wildcargo master W Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,059 Swamps of South Jersey.	What are you going to use to fill the O ring grove Bud www.wildcar-go.itgo.com 64 DODGE 60' 1.433, 1/8 6.38 at 107.4, 1/4 10.08 at 132.02 foot brake, leaf springs

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Re: Thin head gasket ? #367934 07/07/09 11:57 AM 07/07/09 11:57 AM
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,910 Eighty Four, PA B G Racing master
B G Racing master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,910 Eighty Four, PA	We know a guy that used the block saver as a gasket and it flamed apart cutting a line like a torch cut in his head and block.We have used them as a shim before we could get optional thickness (mls) gaskets on low cpmpression street engines.With the great selectionsof gaskets,particulary Cometics why take a chance.We have had success with SS fire ringed FelPro on blocks with a recieving groove and not had to fill them in.If your going to fill them in try Alvins"Hi-temp LabMetal. [IMG]http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq21/ajcasini/max_zpsdppwd9km.jpg[/IMG]

Re: Thin head gasket ? [Re: B G Racing] #367935 07/07/09 12:15 PM 07/07/09 12:15 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 731 Aurora Colorado B BELVEDERE67 mopar addict
BELVEDERE67 mopar addict B Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 731 Aurora Colorado	I guess I'm with Hemifred here. Why the post? If you go to the 1009, thats all you need. To use only that dead soft copper...you'll be apparently have"issues". I'd look at the steel shim only. You'll get that .020 thickness to up your compression. Make sure your mating surfaces are totally flat. If your looking for more compression, that, to me is the best answer.

Re: Thin head gasket ? [Re: B G Racing] #367936 07/07/09 12:19 PM 07/07/09 12:19 PM
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instigator super stock I Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,090 north cakalaky	If no reciever groove then to me the gasket is not thick enough to have any place for the o-ring to go.... If a reciever groove, then there is the room for the o-ring so I would think it would be fine....no different than any other copper head gasket.... But I have not stayed in a Holiday Inn recently..so take it as you may. 65 Barracuda All aluminum Indy HEMI with some boost! COMING TO A TRACK NEAR YOU!

Re: Thin head gasket ? [Re: instigator] #367937 07/07/09 01:01 PM 07/07/09 01:01 PM
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Hemiroid super stock H Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 705 Michigan	Quote: If no reciever groove then to me the gasket is not thick enough to have any place for the o-ring to go.... If a reciever groove, then there is the room for the o-ring so I would think it would be fine....no different than any other copper head gasket.... But I have not stayed in a Holiday Inn recently..so take it as you may. He said he wasn't going to use o-rings.

Re: Thin head gasket ? [Re: Hemiroid] #367938 07/07/09 03:33 PM 07/07/09 03:33 PM
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Dodgem OP master Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,746 Ontario, Canada	I'm going to get a set in and decide when I look at them. Got 1009's coming too. JB weld or other is an interesting idea to fill the grove. If I do it, it will only be on for 4 to 5 races i want to attend then out comes the block for decking to remove groves and then just fel pros. I'll keep it slightly to the rich side if I try it!! Really appreciate the comments and thoughts I'll let you know what I do and what results are if I dare try it!!! Not sure I can stop myself!! LOL!!

Re: Thin head gasket ? [Re: B G Racing] #367939 07/07/09 03:40 PM 07/07/09 03:40 PM
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Dodgem OP master Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,746 Ontario, Canada	Alvins"Hi-temp LabMetal. good stuff?? Fastenal has it hear in Kitchener I'll check it out! Last edited by Dodgem; 07/07/09 03:45 PM.

Re: Thin head gasket ? [Re: Dodgem] #367940 07/07/09 03:53 PM 07/07/09 03:53 PM
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Dodgem OP master Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,746 Ontario, Canada	Reason I ask for advice is just that to get advice, ideas and a sounding board for my ideas. then that gives me pause for thought. Gaskets won't be hear for a week to ten days so I'll be back and forth on this till I decide it's time to put the heads back on. Now had I thought about filling inn the groves last year I probably would have had fel pro 1009's on and no leaks! LOL!!! course i get an idea in my head wonder about it get advice then more thanks again all

Re: Thin head gasket ? [Re: Dodgem] #367941 07/07/09 04:32 PM 07/07/09 04:32 PM
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John_Kunkel Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 26,000 Rio Linda, CA	FWIW, back in the day, before you could purchase such things, I made a pair of head gaskets out of .020" dead soft copper (I'll never do that again) and used them on a 6-71 blown 426 wedge with block O rings, worked just fine. Without O rings I wouldn't even consider it. The INTERNET, the MISinformation superhighway

Re: Thin head gasket ? [Re: John_Kunkel] #367942 07/07/09 04:48 PM 07/07/09 04:48 PM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,746 Ontario, Canada Dodgem OP master
Dodgem OP master Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,746 Ontario, Canada	well no huffer and trying to get to 11.5. big roller so no serious cranking compression lots to ponder

Re: Thin head gasket ? [Re: Dodgem] #367943 07/07/09 04:58 PM 07/07/09 04:58 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	What's wrong with Mr. Gasket #1135? Steel shim, .018 compressed thickness... CHEAP! http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MRG-1135/?image=large

Re: Thin head gasket ? #367944 07/07/09 05:57 PM 07/07/09 05:57 PM
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Dodgem OP master Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,746 Ontario, Canada	My feeling is they may have their compression dint right were my o ring grove is. and this quote "Mr. Gasket head gaskets are ideal for stock rebuilds and mild performance applications" Now if i try and fix ring groove with labmetal maybe since what ever I do is short term?? more and I pull shifts in this thing at 7400 and it kicks the shifts about 7600 but present compression is 10.5 with a bigish roller would like 11.5 to one will mill the heads some more while they are off. NO power adders so not to much heat! Last edited by Dodgem; 07/07/09 05:58 PM.

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Re: Thin head gasket ? #367946 07/07/09 06:06 PM 07/07/09 06:06 PM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,746 Ontario, Canada Dodgem OP master
Dodgem OP master Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,746 Ontario, Canada	I didn't really consider the JB weld but this stuff is suppossed to be good to 1000 F Alvins"Hi-temp LabMetal Last edited by Dodgem; 07/07/09 06:07 PM.

Re: Thin head gasket ? #367947 07/07/09 06:09 PM 07/07/09 06:09 PM
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Blucuda413 master B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,533 Alexandria, LA	I filled my grove by leaving the wire in and taking a big mill file and filed the wire down to the block surface. Made a very smooth surface and you can hardly tell where the grooves were. Running composite gaskets on it now and no problem at all.

Re: Thin head gasket ? [Re: Blucuda413] #367948 07/07/09 09:57 PM 07/07/09 09:57 PM
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instigator super stock I Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,090 north cakalaky	No o-rings then hell no...there has to be some type of fire ring to hold in cylinder combustion pressures....coppers use the o-ring as the pinch point, typical felpros use the metal ring around the cylinders that has to compress slightly to create the pinch point, MLS style gaskets use embossing to create the pinch point....might as well just not use a gasket if no pinch point...no difference. 65 Barracuda All aluminum Indy HEMI with some boost! COMING TO A TRACK NEAR YOU!

Re: Thin head gasket ? [Re: Blucuda413] #367949 07/07/09 09:58 PM 07/07/09 09:58 PM
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Dodgem OP master Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,746 Ontario, Canada	Quote: I filled my grove by leaving the wire in and taking a big mill file and filed the wire down to the block surface. Made a very smooth surface and you can hardly tell where the grooves were. Running composite gaskets on it now and no problem at all. another idea

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Re: Thin head gasket ? #367951 07/07/09 10:15 PM 07/07/09 10:15 PM
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Kudakidd master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,861 Witness Protection Program	Quote: please try that and any other useless methods to get it to work . no doubt you are set on doing that gasket come he ll or high water regardless of any advice given here or by the manufacture against using it. But please sure to post results with hi resolution pictures of the carnage so we can all enjoy the fruits of your effort Fred, you can lead a horse to water, but you can;t make him drink.

Post deleted by Defbob [Re: Kudakidd] #367952 07/07/09 10:22 PM 07/07/09 10:22 PM
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Re: Thin head gasket ? #367953 07/07/09 10:24 PM 07/07/09 10:24 PM
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Re: Thin head gasket ? #367955 07/08/09 09:54 PM 07/08/09 09:54 PM
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Dodgem OP master Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,746 Ontario, Canada	No decision one way or the other yet but want to see those shims first.

Re: Thin head gasket ? [Re: Dodgem] #367956 04/04/10 02:47 PM 04/04/10 02:47 PM
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Dodgem OP master Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,746 Ontario, Canada	Results on using those thin spacers for head gaskets later with pictures. going to deck the block now and use 1105's. got over 40 runs with a new 452 inch best of 10.48 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QStCu0bIHHU last day out slicks were starting to show a hint of cords when I got home!

Re: Thin head gasket ? [Re: Dodgem] #367957 04/04/10 03:10 PM 04/04/10 03:10 PM
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StealthWedge67 master S Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,319 Puyallup, WA	UHH, they make a steel .020 head gasket that is designed to be used by itself...... LemonWedge - Street heavy / Strip ready - 11.07 @ 120

Re: Thin head gasket ? [Re: Dodgem] #367958 04/04/10 04:15 PM 04/04/10 04:15 PM
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moparmanjames pro stock Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,260 Las Vegas NV	Quote: Results on using those thin spacers for head gaskets later with pictures. going to deck the block now and use 1105's. got over 40 runs with a new 452 inch best of 10.48 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QStCu0bIHHU last day out slicks were starting to show a hint of cords when I got home! Nice Ride

Re: Thin head gasket ? [Re: StealthWedge67] #367959 04/04/10 06:43 PM 04/04/10 06:43 PM
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Dodgem OP master Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,746 Ontario, Canada	Quote: UHH, they make a steel .020 head gasket that is designed to be used by itself...... Had o-ringed block on and on! But I ordered SCE .032 and was going to use .025 welding wire which was .005 above deck. well speed shop said check you have them in stock guy at SCE says right in my hands. speed shop said hang on to them and right to shipping?? 2 1/2 weeks later he phones and they yea we have them in stock will ship one of these days. So on went these with lotso goop. 5907504-Picture017.JPG (26 downloads)

Re: Thin head gasket ? [Re: Dodgem] #367960 04/04/10 06:44 PM 04/04/10 06:44 PM
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Re: Thin head gasket ? [Re: Dodgem] #367961 04/04/10 06:44 PM 04/04/10 06:44 PM
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Re: Thin head gasket ? [Re: Dodgem] #367962 04/04/10 06:45 PM 04/04/10 06:45 PM
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Dodgem OP master Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,746 Ontario, Canada	4 they are thin and whimpy!! 5907508-Picture020.JPG (45 downloads) Last edited by Dodgem; 04/04/10 06:49 PM.

Re: Thin head gasket ? [Re: Dodgem] #367963 04/04/10 06:50 PM 04/04/10 06:50 PM
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Dodgem OP master Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,746 Ontario, Canada	goop I used. just left the grooves but they will come off now with decking. 5907521-Picture021.JPG (43 downloads)

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