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Dakota swap using full frame...Who's done it? #363508
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I'm not having any luck with the search, so here goes:
Looking at a first gen dakota as a donor. It's a regular cab longbed, should be 123.9 inch wheelbase.

What 40's or 50's mopars will fit this wheelbase?

I'm looking at a full frame swap, NOT just the front stub.
So who's actually done this?

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Re: Dakota swap using full frame...Who's done it? [Re: burgmopar] #363509
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Welcome!
Read through the previous posts, there is some good info.
No one has documented a complete Dakota swap with all the info.
I posted frame dimensions, Ron has posted pictures of a 38 with the swap, and there is one guy that is currently working on one. There have been a couple clips, but you say that's not what you want.

Re: Dakota swap using full frame...Who's done it? [Re: burgmopar] #363510
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welcome to moparts.

shortening a dakota chassis is not hard to do to put it under what ever car you want, here is a 46 PU install on a dakota chassis that went very well.. Ron...


http://rides.webshots.com/album/300985977tszAFe


we am building a 46 dodge COE on one right now and my son is doing a 40 dodge PU on one as well.
and I have a 47 dodge panel truck that will end up on one, Yes they are all trucks but I see no reason why you can't put a car body on one other than the the rear area on a dakota goes up pretty high in the back and you will have to watch for that.

you can change the 6 lug rotors to the pre 91 5 lug rotors and you can get 2" dropped spindles for then too.
and a "B" body 8 3/4 fit great in them to get 5 lug in the rear if you want...


also here is a 38 ply that a moparts member did on one

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Re: Dakota swap using full frame...Who's done it? [Re: Mopar Ron] #363511
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Re: Dakota swap using full frame...Who's done it? [Re: Mopar Ron] #363512
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Thanks for the quick replies.
I've read some of the other posts,and clipping or shortening the frame sounds like the norm, but I'm not sure my "skills" will result in anything but more parts.

Sort of a "Measure Forever, Cut Never" approach

burg

Re: Dakota swap using full frame...Who's done it? [Re: burgmopar] #363513
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If you aren't sure of your skills, a frame swap is not the best place to start.
It is a bunch of carefull work.
If you go truck, it's easier.
If you go car, your best bet is to get one with a decent frame and upgrade it.

Re: Dakota swap using full frame...Who's done it? [Re: burgmopar] #363514
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taking a welding class and getting a mig welder(or a friend with one) is a good idea when playing with cars that need fabrication work.
I started years ago with a stick welder but getting my mig was the best investment I ever did.

I suggest doing a PU for your first rod they are pretty easy to find and you can move beds and fenders around a little to fit your needs, but it still requires making motor mounts or putting in a different frontend and rearend(so back to the welder again). Ron...

Re: Dakota swap using full frame...Who's done it? [Re: Mopar Ron] #363515
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searching here is different.
Select Street Rodders, type in Dakota and select subject and body. Select 1 year and 250 results.
Hit submit.
You will see that it shows every post, not just each thread.

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Re: Dakota swap using full frame...Who's done it? [Re: Mopar Ron] #363516
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I have a '40 Dodge Coupe with a really really hacked frame, so I may or may not do the whole frame swap.

I just bought an '87 Dakota, just need to get the thing home and begin parting it out and then I can start taking measurements.

I will definately be taking pictures!

Re: Dakota swap using full frame...Who's done it? [Re: RodStRace] #363517
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To give you an idea of what's involved in a frame swap, take a look at this thread on another site.
WARNING! this isn't the show quality way that many would try to accomplish, and it's NOT a mopar chassis. The guy is doing it all himself on a budget and has documented it well. It also has a lot of pictures, so it's not dial-up friendly!
If it loads slowly, remove the "&showall=1" at the end.

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=346922&showall=1

Re: Dakota swap using full frame...Who's done it? [Re: rabid scott] #363518
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I have a '40 Dodge Coupe with a really really hacked frame, then I can start taking measurements.




Did you take a look at the measurements I posted earlier here?

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I will definately be taking pictures!




Please do! We love to see cars, and anyone that will document work is always appreciated!

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Did you take a look at the measurements I posted earlier here?




Yep!

Re: Dakota swap using full frame...Who's done it? [Re: rabid scott] #363520
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RodSTRace, I totally missed that frame info you posted...It is very helpful. It looks like some of the '49 and '50 Dodge wheelbases (123.5") come pretty close.

And that other frame swap thread is just plain scary! That's NOT what I'm looking to do!

Perhaps, as Mopar Ron suggested, it would be smarter to find a pickup...

I think there's a lot of and in my future!

burg

Re: Dakota swap using full frame...Who's done it? [Re: burgmopar] #363521
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I'm currently working on mounting a 41 Dodge(Fargo) pick up on a complete 93 Dakota chassis. I had to take out and re weld 15 inches out of the frame though. I have some pics here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/55539330@N00/

No, the first few pics of a Fargo in the trees aren't my project, just one I swiped some of the stainless grill trim off of. I'm not that ambitious!
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I'm currently working on mounting a 41 Dodge(Fargo) pick up on a complete 93 Dakota chassis. I had to take out and re weld 15 inches out of the frame though. I have some pics here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/55539330@N00/

No, the first few pics of a Fargo in the trees aren't my project, just one I swiped some of the stainless grill trim off of. I'm not that ambitious!
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Hurry up already! ...and take good pics.

I've got pieces for the same build (41 Dodge/Fargo front sheetmetal/Dakota chassis). I just need to finish my boat-tail first.

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Hurry up already! ...and take good pics.

I've got pieces for the same build (41 Dodge/Fargo front sheetmetal/Dakota chassis). I just need to finish my boat-tail first.




I'm trying, I'm trying! Haven't had time to do much this summer so far.
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Re: Dakota swap using full frame...Who's done it? [Re: Mopar Ron] #363524
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you can change the 6 lug rotors to the pre 91 5 lug rotors




Can you do this on all years, or just up to 96 ?


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Just to 96.

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Is this a good one for a project? I have my 38 Plymouth Business coupe, but was planning on using the stock frame and getting the FATMAN front end for it as suggested by Ron.

but, i see more projects down the road??? This is a 91, running with trans isues, asking $400 and close to me.

Ron, do you use the 418s for certain projects and just use whats in the truck-EVER???
I am thinking RATROD

Dave

http://reno.craigslist.org/pts/1313943857.html

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Dave do you mean the 518 OD transmission?

It is going to have a 6 on 4.5" bolt pattern being a 91, but the front hubs and the rear axles can be interchanged with the earlier 5 bolt pattern.

It will have the computer, engine harness, and everything you need to run electronic fuel injection, might even have the fuel tank with the electronic fuel pump that can be used.

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