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Re: EBody Fuel Gage Question [Re: 70VERT] #354855
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OK--here's the scoop with my "cheapo" voltometer---with sender disconnected, moving the arm from up to down get about 14-55ohms. With blue wire connected and battery ground on sending unit gage goes form empty to 1/2 full with float travel from up to down. I get about the same results with the other sending unit in both cases. Whaddya think?


Your checking everything proper and to back up a second the gas gauge reads E w the blue wire disconnected & when you ground it, it swings over past F. I thought maybe the sending unit was bad but this is the 2nd one & same deal but my gut tells me it's something w the sending unit. I am out of ideas


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Re: EBody Fuel Gage Question [Re: RapidRobert] #354856
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Thanks for all your help Rapid Robert. Anybody else have any ideas or things I can check?

Re: EBody Fuel Gage Question [Re: RapidRobert] #354857
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And you're probably correct Robert...I'm betting the aftermarket unit just is'nt close to the correct sweep judging by the values that have been stated...Bending the stop won't give that much more on the top end...And since taking out the cluster for caliberation/sender sync is not on the list there's only one quick fix...You need to bend the float arm before it contacts the upper stop...The basic idea would be to bend the arm in a way that would rotate the center stud up further to gain the values you need for a full tank but keep the float in the same general orientation....Now, you may not get it to read completely full without the actual rallye gauge caliberation with the sending unit...but you'll surely get a much more accurate, useable needle sweep and reading...

Re: EBody Fuel Gage Question [Re: screamindriver] #354858
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And you're probably correct Robert...I'm betting the aftermarket unit just is'nt close to the correct sweep judging by the values that have been stated...Bending the stop won't give that much more on the top end...And since taking out the cluster for caliberation/sender sync is not on the list there's only one quick fix...You need to bend the float arm before it contacts the upper stop...The basic idea would be to bend the arm in a way that would rotate the center stud up further to gain the values you need for a full tank but keep the float in the same general orientation....Now, you may not get it to read completely full without the actual rallye gauge caliberation with the sending unit...but you'll surely get a much more accurate, useable needle sweep and reading...




Bend the arm before the stop. Get your reading down around 10 ohms, then you got it.

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OK--I'll give it a try tomorrow thanx

Re: EBody Fuel Gage Question [Re: 70VERT] #354860
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You might give Mancini a call & see what Wes thinks. The gauge reading 1/2 full thats WAY off. I could be wrong on this but I dont think you can manipulate the bend enough to correct that kind of error & you shouldn't have to especially for that kind of money.


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Re: EBody Fuel Gage Question [Re: RapidRobert] #354861
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Before I bent anything I just tried unscrewing the float arm and turning the reostat by hand while reading the fuel gage. I can get the gage to go full sweep to just about full but teh resistance is down close to zero to get it there. I could bend the arm to accomodate but I wonder about the lower end readings?? This is bugging the hell outta me couldn't wait til tomorrow

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This is bugging the hell outta me


Me too and I went out & measured mine(65 dart w 3/8 unit) & I just filled the tank yesterday & I got .1 ohms!


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Re: EBody Fuel Gage Question [Re: 70VERT] #354863
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I could bend the arm to accomodate but I wonder about the lower end readings??


and the lower end readings are whats important as when the needle is square on the E you want enough gas to make it to the next station and the gauge stays on F for quite awhile before it starts to move because the gas level w a full tank is above the float as the float is maxed out as high as it will go and does not start to drop until the gas level drops a certain amount.


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Re: EBody Fuel Gage Question [Re: RapidRobert] #354864
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Well think I'll give Mancini a call tomorrow before I bend anything and see what they say. Thanks for all the help guys I appreciate it
I'll post how I make out either way

Re: EBody Fuel Gage Question [Re: 70VERT] #354865
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dumb question...

how much gas is in your tank?

or these tests were all done with the sender OUT of the tank?


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Gas is about 1/2 full in tank, but these tests were all done with sender removed

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Just talked to Mancini's Racing about my sending unit--told them what I had checked so far and they say it is the gage. Told them that I grounded out the blue sending unit wire and got full gage deflection and the guy said you should NEVER do this as it si bad for the gage.
Oh well he kinda convinced me he didn't have a clue, so I guess I'm off to bend the float and see if I can get this thing working--any other thoughts anybody has I'd appreciate knowing

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--any other thoughts anybody has I'd appreciate knowing


Yes it's a very good idea to not peg it, to have a helper & unhook it as it swings rapidly toward(& crosses the F) but with my sending unit having .1 ohms at full tank it's damn near pegged electrically. Take a 5 gal plastic bucket filled w water set next to your tank & run 2 jumper wires to this sending unit & dunk it & w a helper see what the gas gauge reads with the float being raised by the water under operating conditions rather than by hand(I was thinking you might be bearing slightly sideways on the float arm & lessing its contact, kind of grasping for straws now but getting desperate for ideas ). This would give you a good visual for bending it. I still think the resistance wire is the wrong ohms.


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sounds like good advice--thanx

Re: EBody Fuel Gage Question [Re: 70VERT] #354870
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I'm jumping in here late, but sounds like a sender problem. Bending is only going to get you that last little bit. I wouldn't think you're going to make up 1/2 tank.

Good luck

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I'm jumping in here late, but sounds like a sender problem. Bending is only going to get you that last little bit. I wouldn't think you're going to make up 1/2 tank.

Good luck



Sorry, I have been away from the board for a while. I also do not think that bending it will help. 14 ohms is what your are going to get no matter where the arm is even if it is bent. The extra 5 ohms is what is giving you the problem. If you can find a 25 ohm, 1 Watt resistor to put in parallel with the sender and ground, you can fix the top end reading but the mid and lower scale readings will not be linear. The only way to fix it is to get a sender that will go down to 9 ohms with the arm fully raised.
Putting both senders in the circuit will give you 7 ohms on the line and you should get a full tank indication. It is just not handy having two senders out there. Just throwing that out there for trouble shooting purposes.
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Re: EBody Fuel Gage Question [Re: denfireguy] #354872
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Do you still have your 5/16" sending unit & if so check it's ohms & toss it in & see if your gas gauge reads right & if so & before you bend the 3/8" one I'd call mancini again & get a return # & send it back & ask them to evaluate it


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No 5/16 sending unit was shot and has long since been tossed. Bending the arm just doesn't feel right and with all the feedback I've gotten I think I'm gonna send it back to Mancini. I'm a cheapskate at heart and don't want to wreck a 120 buck part if I don't have to. Thanks everyone for all your feedback

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My old 3/8" sender had a removable float arm so I took it off and moved the "reostat" with an allen wrench and I was able to get down to about .2 ohms if I max out the travel at the full position. Tried this on the car (outside the tank) and got over 7/8" on the gage. I think I'm gonna try it out installed with float arm bent enough to give me the sme travel. Whattya think?

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