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HP repop manifolds #347799
06/15/09 12:05 PM
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Maybe this should go in Q&A...
But since it's a Restoration item, and most of the resellers lurk here... I'll start here.


My question is this... (based on what FAST guys are doing with them)

Are all of the current Repo HP Manifolds "Exact" reproductions internally?

Here is why I ask...
I have spent years in the boating world, where cast iron exhaust manifolds are the norm.
However over the years several aftermarket companies, like GLM, began to manufacture improved replacements
These replacements incorporated internal casting changes that were far superior to the original designs, yet looked exactly the same externally. (Some even cast them in Aluminum) Eventually the original manufacturers also implemented the same internal changes allowing for improved exhaust flow across the board.

From what I've read, the FAST guys have figured out how to make the stock exhaust "Flow Better".

So, my question is...
Has anyone incorporated any of those "changes" into the internal casting of the new Repo HP Manifolds?
If not, why not?
I would think there would be a strong market for anything with improved flow, just like the marine counterparts.

Just wondering.
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Re: HP repop manifolds [Re: Runner2go] #347800
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Just a guess, but I would think the f.A.S.T. guys are using the Extrude hone process of liquid media being run thru the ports/passades until they are smooth and hogged out as desired

Re: HP repop manifolds [Re: DAYCLONA] #347801
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Yup - They use Extrude-Hone. I am sure the makers of the manifolds wont pay up for precision castings because of the volume as compared to the Chevy stuff.

Re: HP repop manifolds [Re: FJ5_Fish] #347802
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Im buildin a FAST car now and bought a set of the repop manifolds which are n the process of getting extrude honed out.going to hog the hell out of them as well as a intake manifold. i didnt want to ruin a good set of original manifolds.

Re: HP repop manifolds [Re: JACKSON] #347803
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Quote:

Im buildin a FAST car now and bought a set of the repop manifolds which are n the process of getting extrude honed out.going to hog the hell out of them as well as a intake manifold.



Which was kind of my point...
You would think someone would have made a set that was already bigger & smoother inside.
If your going to to go to the trouble of casting them, I would think it would have taken very little "extra effort" if done up front.
The guy with the ability to advertise "Flows Better than Stock" would have an an advantage over dead stock repops.

At least I think he would.

But it appears that is necessary to buy them and then "Fix" them after the fact.
Which answers the question "If they do it?"


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Re: HP repop manifolds [Re: Runner2go] #347804
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Just finished this build.

Stock untouched manifolds. "Mild" FAST build.

596 HP. 607 lb/ft trq.

Point is EH is a surface preparation. It does nothing in the way of "hogging out". Little of the parent metal is removed. And after a short time of run in, the manifold gets a coating of surface rust and carbon buildup, so any gains in surface prep quickly vanish. Then add to that fact that you still need to run it through a stcck type 2.5" exhaust system. Better than nothing. perhaps, but don't expect much.,,,

Re: HP repop manifolds [Re: HPMike] #347805
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One of the top FAST racers claimed there was very little HP gain from Extrude Honed exhaust manifolds.

Re: HP repop manifolds [Re: Dave Watt] #347806
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One of the top FAST racers claimed there was very little HP gain from Extrude Honed exhaust manifolds.




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Re: HP repop manifolds [Re: HPMike] #347807
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Oops, I hear it works well on intake manifolds and heads?

Re: HP repop manifolds [Re: Dave Watt] #347808
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who's repoping the HP manifolds? I haven't seen them advertised anywhere. I'm looking to can the headers on my GTX and go back to stock manifolds. The HP's breath just as good as headers with a full exhurst system and don't leak.

Re: HP repop manifolds [Re: Dougsmopars] #347809
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Year One makes the HP manifolds

Re: HP repop manifolds [Re: HPMike] #347810
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Quote:

Just finished this build.

Stock untouched manifolds. "Mild" FAST build.

596 HP. 607 lb/ft trq.

Point is EH is a surface preparation. It does nothing in the way of "hogging out". Little of the parent metal is removed. And after a short time of run in, the manifold gets a coating of surface rust and carbon buildup, so any gains in surface prep quickly vanish. Then add to that fact that you still need to run it through a stcck type 2.5" exhaust system. Better than nothing. perhaps, but don't expect much.,,,




Well said (and nice work BTW ). Everyone I've talked to said the exact same thing. Of course I'm doing a Pure Stock build so it isn't allowed anyway.

There are relatively HUGE differences in the rest of the exhaust system, though. The difference between the factory 2 1/4 compression bent pipes vs. a high quality 2 1/2 inch mandrel bent system is huge compared to extrude honing the manifolds. Then there are the mufflers............


Dave


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Re: HP repop manifolds [Re: Ludington1] #347811
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I would suspect that most of any gains in the manifolds flow would be in the matchin of the portd to the exhaust ports on the heads and also at the exhaust pipe flange as there is a bit more metal on the flange end. About $500-600 for a 3 HP gain seems like a waist. I think you woud gain more by hand porting the exhaust manifolds and Extrud Honing the intake.







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