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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT [Re: autoxcuda] #342537
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Here is an NOS 440 shortblock member FJ5 Fish had in his possession.

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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT [Re: mccannix] #342538
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stampings here

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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT [Re: mccannix] #342539
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT [Re: mccannix] #342540
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT [Re: mccannix] #342541
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that's the CASTING date , it was assembled on 3/5 according to the ID pad , but very interesting , NO MODEL YEAR on the ID pad , I wonder when that stamp was applied

Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT [Re: JohnRR] #342542
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That is kind of the point I am (maybe) trying to (possibly) make sorta (did I cover my rear enough yet? ).

All the Service, Warranty and over the counter blocks I have seen (around 10 or so - which I'm sure is not every one ever sold :^) ) Do not have the Series Letter on them (D,E,F,G etc.).

That is why the one with all the production car stuff on top (E440, HP etc) and no VIN poked on the pad intrigues me.

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warrenty replacement short engine no stamping anywhere on it

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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT [Re: stateline] #342544
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how do you know its a warrenty short block + not just an over the counter block that was assembled?

a short block SHOULD have assy date info on the pad + a tag or hole on the rh side of the block typically above the forward coreplug where the rivet was holding the tag in place

Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT [Re: TONY_DAGOSTINO] #342545
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how do you know its a warrenty short block + not just an over the counter block that was assembled?

a short block SHOULD have assy date info on the pad + a tag or hole on the rh side of the block typically above the forward coreplug where the rivet was holding the tag in place




ding ding ding .... WINNER

Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT [Re: JohnRR] #342546
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On the previous pictures I posted of the shortblock assemblies I located, along with the blue rivetted tag and paper tags was this oil soaked engine instructions sheet.

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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT**PICTURE UPDATE** [Re: RoadRunner] #342547
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Here is my take on it...its a restamp. Why, whell, the stamping of the blocks and engines were done by a machine that had wheels where you set the number/letter combination. So you would set 0B12345 and stamp the engine and transmission. Then set to 0B12346 and do the next (assuming sequential VIN for this argument sake). So if the person setting the wheels dropped the third digit slightly (say the "1" was a little lower, then the same error would be in both places. Also, since the wheels were in a line, all the letters should be lined up. Thes are all over the place. I have seen the whole stampings crooked, but the relative spacing and alignment is always the same. This is also why you see transposed numbers show up in both places usually. Lastly, the font is off. I am no expert, but have seen a few VIN stampings, and know that that font is not right. Just my




Ok, I am going to throw all this out the window. I cleaned out the garage and looked at the three blocks and two transmissions I have. The one four speed shows a similar font and crooked alignment like your engine stamp. The transmission has been with me since '84 so I doubt it was restamped. The VINS all look like the examples given here with repsect to font, alignment and depth of pad machining (all of mine look to be original). The auto transmission stamping looks like VIN stamping. So who knows.


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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT [Re: mccannix] #342548
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hard for you to read but this instruction sheet states in part...

Engine Assemblies are supplied only with blank engine number pad. Dealers are to be governed by their state law on the application of engine numbers in the field.

The Engine Assemblies have model number given on a small plate attached to the cylinder block near the front end of the engine pad.
Reference to this model number should be made when ordering parts for this engine to make sure correct parts are shipped.

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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT [Re: JohnRR] #342549
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how do you know its a warrenty short block + not just an over the counter block that was assembled?

a short block SHOULD have assy date info on the pad + a tag or hole on the rh side of the block typically above the forward coreplug where the rivet was holding the tag in place




ding ding ding .... WINNER




Sorry boys , I worked at a Chry. dealer and installed it is the car ,bought it when the car got wrecked of coarse I cant prove that now , I dont have a pic of me doing .

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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT [Re: stateline] #342550
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how do you know its a warrenty short block + not just an over the counter block that was assembled?

a short block SHOULD have assy date info on the pad + a tag or hole on the rh side of the block typically above the forward coreplug where the rivet was holding the tag in place




ding ding ding .... WINNER




Sorry boys , I worked at a Chry. dealer and installed it is the car ,bought it when the car got wrecked of coarse I cant prove that now , I dont have a pic of me doing .




Or any paper work to back it up

Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT [Re: JohnRR] #342551
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Looks like 2 different fonts on the numeral 4


Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT [Re: gtx6970] #342552
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Different "4's" Yes - I have seen that a lot on original matching motors as well.

Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT [Re: A12] #342553
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and here's an "over the counter" '69 440 HP (2) engine, unstamped with the Bridgeport milling marks and it appears they missed the front edge of the pad during that milling.....the engine assembly date/code pad is stamped E440 3 28 HP 2 with a upside down "C" and a sideways "B"


MikeR




Is it just me or do I see numbers stamped in the cast iron above the pad on this block also?




Jack, that's my block and I've never seen anything that looked like a stamping there but maybe I didn't look closely enough??? I'll look again when I get a chance. This engine was supposedly in an Excalibur kit car like this one (not the car or engine) back in '69 and purchased over the counter from a Chrysler dealer's parts department. It was a complete engine and was stamped with an assembly date and type of engine E440 HP. A very strange tag is nail riveted to the bellhousing area with HP 440 on it. I can't get to the engine right now but now I have to go look at that area again more closely. Anyway the milling marks were all that I was trying to point out that should be there stamper or not stamped.


MikeR





Wow that is one of 44 of those built in 69. Wonder what happened to it after the 440 was robbed out of it.


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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT [Re: FJ5_Fish] #342554
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Different "4's" Yes - I have seen that a lot on original matching motors as well.




Here's an original stamping with mis-matched "4's" that might leave you scratching your head for a while... Tony D'A. should recognize it pretty quickly...

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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT [Re: hemigeno] #342555
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Well, what about this 1968 D440hp motor that I got with a '68 GTX that I purchased some years ago. I wasn't too concerned with the whole numbers matching thing but after looking it over very well, it is stamped on the top pad with D440 HP along with 5 23. There is no vin stamping on the pan rail but I did find what looks to be a vin stamp on top of the bell housing right where the trans lines up? Was there something peculiar to the 68 cars? At first I thought that maybe it was replacement but there is no tag. Maybe only Ma Mopar knows for sure!

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There is no vin stamping on the pan rail but I did find what looks to be a vin stamp on top of the bell housing right where the trans lines up? Was there something peculiar to the 68 cars?




That's where it's supposed to be on a '68 engine.

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