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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: rayztoy]
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06/12/09 07:34 PM
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Would a block with the assy date stamped on the upper pad (ie: F440 HP 12 01), but with no stamp (ie:blank) on the bottom pad be a block from the parts dept(over the counter purchase), not warranty replacment?
Thanks Jimmy! 
That's the way an engine that I have is and I'm trying to see if the guy that bought it back in '69 still has a bill of sale or info on how that came about. The Engine Assembly Date (EAD) the type (HP etc.) the test and fitment tollerences I would think would be put on the pad or how else would Chrysler know what was assembled? What happened to engines that were built and the car order was canceled? Did the engine plant ever produce engines before there was an order for a car for it to go in? I would think there had to be some "cushion" with engine building that if there was a defect or engine that needed torn apart for repair at the test stage that they had better have a ready to go identical engine for replacement quickly? Those engines could also be sold "over the counter" if not needed......
MikeR
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: FJ5_Fish]
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06/12/09 07:39 PM
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rayztoy
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Never seen one like that....how about original motor that was never smacked with the VIN? Seen that.
Yes, you could say it was the original motor that was never stamped, but without paperwork, you couldn't say it was original based on heresay. What would you call it then?
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: rayztoy]
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06/12/09 08:00 PM
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Never seen one like that....how about original motor that was never smacked with the VIN? Seen that.
Yes, you could say it was the original motor that was never stamped, but without paperwork, you couldn't say it was original based on heresay. What would you call it then?
A job For Frank B. to do his CSI thing! 
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: rayztoy]
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06/12/09 08:08 PM
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Never seen one like that....how about original motor that was never smacked with the VIN? Seen that.
Yes, you could say it was the original motor that was never stamped, but without paperwork, you couldn't say it was original based on heresay. What would you call it then?
Here's my unstamped engine, this is the one from the earlier photo post showing the milling machine marks on the engine VIN pad and it is not stamped 
but the EAD 3 28, year (1969) "E", displacement "440", upside down "C" and sideways "B" is stamped into the pad on top, how else would Chrysler know what it was if it was just sitting there?
This was supposedly purchased from a Chrysler/Plymouth dealer's parts department for a "kit car". It's not a marine engine, not a commercial engine, it's an E440 HP (2) 440 engine with 906 heads, a 4-bbl intake manifold, 402 oil pan, forged crank and standard fuel pump....
MikeR
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: FJ5_Fish]
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06/12/09 08:34 PM
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I think it is a production motor that came out of a car that was never stamped. All warranty and service motors I have ever seen (around 8-10) have a W, S or WT on them. Does the paint look correct? Warranty motors were not painted. Again - I am just thinking out loud here - without the key piece of history it is next to impossible to nail down. It is easy to speculate though!
Take a little closer look to the left on the bellhousing area and you'll see part of a metal tag that is "nail riveted" there. Also I think you can just see painted on large letters for I think the piston to cylinder fitment tollerence on the side of the block, were those on warranty blocks?
Purchased for an Excalibur Kit Car from a Chrysler/Plymouth dealer in 1969 is what I was told so I guess I have to talk to the person who bought it..pretty good story none the less 
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: rayztoy]
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06/13/09 06:49 AM
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Would a block with the assy date stamped on the upper pad (ie: F440 HP 12 01), but with no stamp (ie:blank) on the bottom pad be a block from the parts dept(over the counter purchase), not warranty replacment?
Thanks Jimmy!
A warranty of service replacement wouldn't be stamped like that on the ID pad unless it was removed from the line .
nenevrmind I'd want to see the ACTUAL dealer paperwork PROVING the car had it's engine replaced under warranty otherwise its a BS attempt at justifying why a car doesn't have it's original block
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: A12]
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06/13/09 11:47 AM
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Take a little closer look to the left on the bellhousing area and you'll see part of a metal tag that is "nail riveted" there. Also I think you can just see painted on large letters for I think the piston to cylinder fitment tollerence on the side of the block, were those on warranty blocks?Quote:
These neglected crate shortblock assemblies all came from a Chrysler depot... unpainted, letters on the side, the blue tag riveted to them, wooden crated with steel bands, along with some paperwork laying inside.
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: mccannix]
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06/13/09 12:38 PM
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