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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: Fury Fan]
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well at least they can use this thread to correct thier mistakes for the next attempt.
So where are teh 'fender tag police' to keep this information from being posted on a public webboards??? 
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: 62maxwgn]
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06/10/09 12:31 PM
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also notice the PAD is twice as deep as most you see... indicating its been shaved..also the font is way way off as the spacing off the trans stamp would be the same so yes this is a FRAUD dan
And there are no remnants of the original Bridgeport milling machine marks with which all pads were milled whether they were stamped at the factory or unstamped warranty replacements.
I totally agree with you Bill; the Bridgeport milling is there no matter what and the alignment of the characters or numbers doesn't matter. This is a '71 C-body 440 engine I have (complete) that I know was stamped at the factory (no one in their right mind would re-stamp it as a non-HP 440 ) and if you look closely you can still see the Bridgeport milling marks  . So the factory stamped it OuTofFAliGNmEnt and doubledouble stampp the 2 2 
MikeR
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
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06/10/09 12:35 PM
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I have seen enough 71 Hemi's with "hand Stamped" appearing numbers on sitting for 30+ years original owner cars. Never seen that on a 440 though. Hemi's seemed to be the exception in 1971 - with the low, low production. There are also a few original 71 Hemi Engine/trans with No stamping documented as well.
what a co-inkydink that I posted a '71 440 block 
MikeR
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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06/10/09 12:44 PM
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One of my all time favorites. Notice the blank pad (Factory installed in a numbers matching Hemi car BTW). Also look carefully at the cast iron area above the pad.....
They stamped the numbers into the rough cast iron area above the milled pad 
MikeR
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
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06/10/09 12:45 PM
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So should they be a closer match?
Why would someone bother to go through the trouble? It's not like I was overly advertising looking for the original block 
....I sent this question to a good friend and his answer made the most sense.
He says it depends on the asking price....
If it's $500 it's NO SCAM
if it's $5000 it's a SCAM
I got an email last night....the asking price for the bare block is $2500
from this post it sounds like you still want to believe
its real
what does the price to do with it being real or not?
that number was put there to reel you in
its one of the pitfalls of blabbing your vin number/date codes all over the net 
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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06/10/09 12:50 PM
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A12 your example does not appear hand stamped to me, it looks more like the worker just neglected to roll the first two digits into the proper final position which made them slightly higher than the rest.
Scott, I agree and really never said that it was hand stamped just pointing out the mis-alignment of the characters. You can see at the lower left corner of the "1" where it has the mark from the stamp base corner, kind of like a L shape where it was rolled too far to the right.
MikeR
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
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06/10/09 12:52 PM
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One of my all time favorites. Notice the blank pad (Factory installed in a numbers matching Hemi car BTW). Also look carefully at the cast iron area above the pad.....
Roger Gibson showed me one that was whacked a few times all the way up the block - Employee pride! Is that the same engine?
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
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06/10/09 12:55 PM
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I've heard stories of a worker (st. louis plant I think) that didn't know he had to change the #s on his first day and stamped everything with the same # for an hour!  How many cars would that be? Tav
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
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06/10/09 12:57 PM
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They stamped the numbers into the rough cast iron area above the milled pad
Yep.........Doh! Bad Factory worker!
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
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06/10/09 01:26 PM
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and here's an "over the counter" '69 440 HP (2) engine, unstamped with the Bridgeport milling marks and it appears they missed the front edge of the pad during that milling.....the engine assembly date/code pad is stamped E440 3 28 HP 2 with a upside down "C" and a sideways "B"
MikeR
Is it just me or do I see numbers stamped in the cast iron above the pad on this block also?
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: Hemi_Jack]
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and here's an "over the counter" '69 440 HP (2) engine, unstamped with the Bridgeport milling marks and it appears they missed the front edge of the pad during that milling.....the engine assembly date/code pad is stamped E440 3 28 HP 2 with a upside down "C" and a sideways "B"
MikeR
Is it just me or do I see numbers stamped in the cast iron above the pad on this block also?
Jack, that's my block and I've never seen anything that looked like a stamping there but maybe I didn't look closely enough??? I'll look again when I get a chance. This engine was supposedly in an Excalibur kit car like this one (not the car or engine) back in '69 and purchased over the counter from a Chrysler dealer's parts department. It was a complete engine and was stamped with an assembly date and type of engine E440 HP. A very strange tag is nail riveted to the bellhousing area with HP 440 on it. I can't get to the engine right now but now I have to go look at that area again more closely. Anyway the milling marks were all that I was trying to point out that should be there stamper or not stamped.
MikeR
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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06/10/09 02:09 PM
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Right Snoopy, I've seen that, but it's as clear as mud as to exactly what it means. Where does it say (specifically)that dealers are required to add the VIN sequence number to the block?
Chrysler didn't dictate the stampings on the replacement block. The individual States did. I know for a fact the in 1970 California required the replacement engine cases on motorcycles to be stamped with the original VIN numbers. I had a 1970 Honda CB750 that threw the drive chain thought the case and the dealer was required by CA state law to stamp the new case. I have heard of other states that required it on automotive engine blocks because it was listed on the registration.
Different states, different requirements.
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
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over the counter short or longblocks wouldnt have the model year letter before the engine size E440 the E would have an "S" for service as far as what i understand, the vin stamp wasnt done by hand, as far as hitting it with a hammer it was a pneumatic number stamp gun (sort of looks like an old supermarket metal price gun, where you had to "roll" the numbers to get the price you wnated) so thats why numbers will always be spaced left to right the same, and on a the same line, even if slanted, theyll al be on the same incline or decline, but the numbers can sometimes be jumbled for up and down if they werent all locked in the same notch and yes i agree with a previous poster, that it is very commomn to have the exact same stamp irregularities on the engine and trans the only exception to this rule i have seen, if an engine blows on the assy line, + the engine is replaced prior to leaving the plant, that it got stamped with the body number type font, not the engine / trans stamp font i asked galen about that and he confirmed that he has seen the same thing my 
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