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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
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well at least they can use this thread to correct thier mistakes for the next attempt.
You know the ol' Motto,.....practice makes perfect!......or a Premimum Stamp set,...is preferred
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
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well at least they can use this thread to correct thier mistakes for the next attempt.
You know the ol' Motto,.....practice makes perfect!......or a Premimum Stamp set,...is preferred
MAN, OK, OK, you have a nice PREMIUM stamp set. We GET IT!
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: anlauto]
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06/10/09 12:41 AM
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Is this the matching block? It was removed from the car while under warranty?
The fonts are wrong as compared to those used by the factory. The lettering is also slanted to the right about 15 degrees. With the type of stamping jig used on the assembly line, that would have been impossible.
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
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I worked at a Plymouth dealer during HS in 77 to early 79 and I remember getting long blocks in with a riveted tag on them to ID them as warranty replacements. I do know they had a stamp set and they would stamp the pad with the VIN number. I also saw them stamp the month and year on the top pad to denote the install date. Was this required..I dont know I just know the tech we had did it. The engines I remember working with were all police Furys so maybe it was something the city wanted done. I never recall getting just a block in they were always long blocks and the claim engine would be shipped back if requested or just sent to the dump if it wasnt. Since these engines were a dime a dozen then no one messed with them.
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
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06/10/09 06:59 AM
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So should they be a closer match? Why would someone bother to go through the trouble? It's not like I was overly advertising looking for the original block  ....I sent this question to a good friend and his answer made the most sense. He says it depends on the asking price.... If it's $500 it's NO SCAM if it's $5000 it's a SCAM I got an email last night....the asking price for the bare block is $2500
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT**PICTURE UPDATE**
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Here is my take on it...its a restamp. Why, whell, the stamping of the blocks and engines were done by a machine that had wheels where you set the number/letter combination. So you would set 0B12345 and stamp the engine and transmission. Then set to 0B12346 and do the next (assuming sequential VIN for this argument sake). So if the person setting the wheels dropped the third digit slightly (say the "1" was a little lower, then the same error would be in both places. Also, since the wheels were in a line, all the letters should be lined up. Thes are all over the place. I have seen the whole stampings crooked, but the relative spacing and alignment is always the same. This is also why you see transposed numbers show up in both places usually. Lastly, the font is off. I am no expert, but have seen a few VIN stampings, and know that that font is not right. Just my 
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
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06/10/09 07:39 AM
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i seen a few 4 spds stamped,and then restamped, the same number,but kinda over the original one.
 ....Yep I done that before,....I mean, seen that before 
Yes Mike after a few beers  you have a steadier hand to hold the stamp still while striking it.
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
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06/10/09 09:11 AM
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dealerships' were suppose to stamp the VIN on the warranty motors.
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I've never seen a shred of evidence to support that story. If anyone has any I'd love to see it (Factory Bulletins, Memo's etc.). It's possible that some dealership owners had internally unique procedures to track engine warranty work but nothing from the factory I've ever seen proof of.
This is printed in the front of every factory parts book.
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Parts Division replacement engines are supplied with blank engine number bosses only. Dealers are governed by state law on the application of engine numbers. In states where license fees are based on displacement or taxable horsepower, it will be necessary to change vehicle registration if the new replacement engine differs from the one it replaces.
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
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dealerships' were suppose to stamp the VIN on the warranty motors.
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I've never seen a shred of evidence to support that story. If anyone has any I'd love to see it (Factory Bulletins, Memo's etc.). It's possible that some dealership owners had internally unique procedures to track engine warranty work but nothing from the factory I've ever seen proof of.
This is printed in the front of every factory parts book.
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Parts Division replacement engines are supplied with blank engine number bosses only. Dealers are governed by state law on the application of engine numbers. In states where license fees are based on displacement or taxable horsepower, it will be necessary to change vehicle registration if the new replacement engine differs from the one it replaces.
That edict is like the label on your pillow.
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
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06/10/09 09:37 AM
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i seen a few 4 spds stamped,and then restamped, the same number,but kinda over the original one. like i said before,they didnt make these cars for us to restore 40 yrs later,so there is human error.
I have seen many 4-spds that have been double stamped by the factory, here is the #'s trans to my '71 GTX.
That's quite common, actually. Another that I see is transposed numerals. The VIN is, let's say, 123456 and you see 132456.
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
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06/10/09 09:46 AM
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I got an email last night....the asking price for the bare block is $2500
I think you have your answer then, don't you? 
The rationale of the guy selling is that a few "correct" numbers make a $250.00 block worth 10 times that. 
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
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So should they be a closer match?
Why would someone bother to go through the trouble? It's not like I was overly advertising looking for the original block
....I sent this question to a good friend and his answer made the most sense.
He says it depends on the asking price....
If it's $500 it's NO SCAM
if it's $5000 it's a SCAM
I got an email last night....the asking price for the bare block is $2500
SCAM , I got the ORIGINAL UNDAMAGED block to my bee back from the guy that pulled it ... 25 bucks
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
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06/10/09 11:04 AM
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also notice the PAD is twice as deep as most you see... indicating its been shaved..also the font is way way off as the spacing off the trans stamp would be the same so yes this is a FRAUD dan
And there are no remnants of the original Bridgeport milling machine marks with which all pads were milled whether they were stamped at the factory or unstamped warranty replacements.
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I agree "restamped", now you can out the yo-yo trying to pass this off as legit. The pad will be a little bit deeper with another VIN next time it surfaces, 
maybe it'll match my car. 
NOT!!
