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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT [Re: JohnRR] #342437
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It was removed from the car while under warranty?




is that the STORY you were told by someone trying to FLEECE you ?




NO...fortunatly enough the original owner is still alive. I called him tonight to ask, again, what happened to the original motor....To the best of his memory, the block had a loud knock, and he seems to recall damage to the oil pan. Remember, he was in his early 20's and not really a mechanically inclined, just a young guy with a cool car he bought new.
He took it back to the dealer and had it replaced. It wasn't much long after that, that he sold the car keeping it only one year.


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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT #342438
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dealerships' were suppose to stamp the VIN on the warranty motors.






I've never seen a shred of evidence to support that story. If anyone has any I'd love to see it (Factory Bullitins, Memo's etc.). It's possible that some dealership owners had internally unique procedures to track engine warranty work but nothing from the factory I've ever seen proof of.

IF it were ever to happen they would have stamped a new block (Warranty/Service replacement, etc.) not re-stamped an old block that already had a number (that block pic you posted appears to have other numbers under the new ones?).

So, first you'd need to establish if the block is a W/S replacement, then have the paperwork supporting that it was actually replaced under warranty at the dealer back in the day, and even then it's still not the original #'s block.

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dealerships' were suppose to stamp the VIN on the warranty motors.




yes it was true where I worked but no many ever bothered




Thanks Fred, you're the first person to ever comment on that claim.

So did the dealerships' use the same style font punch as the factory? So to be correct, it would have the tags' on the sides of the motor and stamped up by the distributor on that pad W/S or whatever it is?

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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT [Re: imfixinmopars426] #342440
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i seen a few 4 spds stamped,and then restamped, the same number,but kinda over the original one.









....Yep I done that before,....I mean, seen that before

Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #342441
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Just to clarify....
This is supposed to be the engine that blew up and was taken out(damage to the lower skirt of #4 cylinder)

....therefore having the numbers stamped at the factory....

It was removed from the car and replaced under warranty back in 1971 and somehow ended up in Ohio some 38 years later.

What did the dealers do with the dicarded engine blocks back then?


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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT [Re: anlauto] #342442
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Those numbers were not stamped at the factory regardless of the history/story.

Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT [Re: anlauto] #342443
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I'm certainly no expert, but I've seen more than a few VIN pads over the years. If I were looking at a car to buy, and I saw the pad stamped that way, I would immediately think "fake", and base my buying decision on it being a non-numbers matching car.

...and (I believe), a 1971 block would have the FULL vin on it.


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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT [Re: ConvertiBee] #342444
06/09/09 09:12 PM
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When I worked in the dealership back in the 70s the factory warrenty rep would smack the block with a hammer to damage it so it couldn't be reused and then it got scrapped. They were never reused.

Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT [Re: ConvertiBee] #342445
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...and (I believe), a 1971 block would have the FULL vin on it.




No, the 71 would have the partial VIN like this example

5282994-71CudaVIN.jpg (417 downloads)
Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #342446
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Was the engine and trans stamped one right after the other with the same tool?

I have the origonal drivetrain to my dad's Challenger(he is the origonal owner) The trans has one number that is stamped wrong. I havn't looked at the engine to see if it has the same "wrong" letter.

Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT [Re: burdar] #342447
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Was the engine and trans stamped one right after the other with the same tool?




Yes

Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #342448
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Then the block should have the same "wrong" stamping. I'll have to check that out.

Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT [Re: Furyman] #342449
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i've looked at lots of pads...#'s can be all over the place.But...that engine pad does not look right to me...the fonts look off.



5283049-71_VINS-500.jpg (450 downloads)

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1969 St. Louis plant VINs, SPD, and VONs.
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT [Re: 69CoronetRT] #342450
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also notice the PAD is twice as deep as most you see... indicating its been shaved..also the font is way way off as the spacing off the trans stamp would be the same so yes this is a FRAUD dan

Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT [Re: ph23vo] #342451
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Seems like someone went fishing for a sucker:

He must have figured you for someone with lots of $$$.
Too bad it didn't work out.
You should ask him how long the wait would be for a spare matching number tranny would be
Dave

Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT [Re: 69_SIX_PACK] #342452
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT [Re: anlauto] #342453
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Just to clarify....
This is supposed to be the engine that blew up and was taken out(damage to the lower skirt of #4 cylinder)

....therefore having the numbers stamped at the factory....

It was removed from the car and replaced under warranty back in 1971 and somehow ended up in Ohio some 38 years later.

What did the dealers do with the dicarded engine blocks back then?




discarded them into the scrap pile .

I wish I had a picture of the 70 hemi cuda rebody remains from a dealer in Mass. back in the early 80's , the original body sitting on top of their scrap pile out back .

Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT [Re: anlauto] #342454
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Just to clarify....
This is supposed to be the engine that blew up and was taken out(damage to the lower skirt of #4 cylinder)

....therefore having the numbers stamped at the factory....

It was removed from the car and replaced under warranty back in 1971 and somehow ended up in Ohio some 38 years later.

What did the dealers do with the dicarded engine blocks back then?


Well Alan, if this one doesn't pan out and since the warranty repacement 440 motor wasn't with the car either when you got it, watch for someone now doing a better job of restamping and contacting you claiming they have the warranty replacement motor....now where'd I put my stamps.

Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT [Re: mccannix] #342455
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I wouldn't sweat it, but you might want to change your ad back to non-matching motor now.

This is one of the prime reasons I personally don't care much about the whole numbers matching gig and never did.

Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT [Re: mccannix] #342456
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well at least they can use this thread to correct thier mistakes for the next attempt.

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