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Gremlins in my W-9 #341853 06/08/09 11:34 PM 06/08/09 11:34 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 116 G ggddemon OP member
ggddemon OP member G Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 116	Finally got my 59* w-9 fired last weekend and am having some of the same issues I always had. My previous E-headed 416 ran a best of 6.22@110 with a 1.39 avg.60',launching@3400. Allways had my shift light set at 6500 to shift but can't ever hit that rpm except for the burnout. i have a 2800lb.70 cuda /glide/4.86 rear/32x16x15's./ron's toilet on m-5.As soon as I hit about 57-5800,it starts to fall off and a spudder starts, so I allways short shifted and cross the 660'@ 6100. The first thing i did was call Ron's and got a high speed bypass. Didn't help!Then later on tried a new fuel pump from Ron's, again not working!Tried nozzles-pills and my sons' barrell valve setup from his 416 still no help. Now I have my new w-9and last weekend left everthing else the same including the 3400 launch and only went 1.45 60' but e/t hit 6.14@113.8 still crossing the line at 6100 and still studdering the 1-2 shift thing last night I changed my msd 7al3 to a new one along with dist, cap/rator wires and coil to see if this will work. i'm running out of ideas guy's and I know this thing has to dangle in the 1/8 mile. Am i to far off to guess a 5.8 area or so? Thanks guy's Dave 5281100-motor1.jpg (66 downloads)

Re: Gremlins in my W-9 [Re: ggddemon] #341854 06/08/09 11:44 PM 06/08/09 11:44 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Hopefully it was the msd box... I had a miss in the higher revs... changed fuel pumps,plugs, wires, cap, rotor, checked grounds..... it was the box. I did a A-B-A test and it showed the box

Re: Gremlins in my W-9 [Re: ggddemon] #341855 06/09/09 12:02 AM 06/09/09 12:02 AM
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 243 NJ A arc enthusiast
arc enthusiast A Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 243 NJ	what nozzel are running and pump 5281149-IMG_0008_1.jpg (58 downloads)

Re: Gremlins in my W-9 [Re: arc] #341856 06/09/09 04:17 AM 06/09/09 04:17 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 116 G ggddemon OP member
ggddemon OP member G Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 116	Quote: what nozzel are running and pump I tried both the 35 and 33 nozzles and both a 0-vein pump and 0 twin gear pumps with no change. Dave 5281317-mymotor.jpg (48 downloads)

Re: Gremlins in my W-9 [Re: ggddemon] #341857 06/09/09 09:22 AM 06/09/09 09:22 AM
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 243 NJ A arc enthusiast
arc enthusiast A Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 243 NJ	how much hp do u think it makes a w9 that i built for a guy makes about 800 it gose 8.90s in a 2800 71 cuda in good air we have a 0 1/2 pump and 36 nozzels do u have a egt or o2

Re: Gremlins in my W-9 [Re: arc] #341858 06/09/09 01:17 PM 06/09/09 01:17 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 116 G ggddemon OP member
ggddemon OP member G Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 116	Quote: how much hp do u think it makes a w9 that i built for a guy makes about 800 it gose 8.90s in a 2800 71 cuda in good air we have a 0 1/2 pump and 36 nozzels do u have a egt or o2 Arc I think this 59* should make an honest 730-740 h.p Cam is a 276/278 110* installed at 106 with a 710/710 lift with 1.6's. Don't have an egt but I'm on it now! Thanks man Dave

Re: Gremlins in my W-9 [Re: ggddemon] #341859 06/09/09 02:38 PM 06/09/09 02:38 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,418 Mcallen, TX SB449VALIANT pro stock
SB449VALIANT pro stock Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,418 Mcallen, TX	Quote: Quote: how much hp do u think it makes a w9 that i built for a guy makes about 800 it gose 8.90s in a 2800 71 cuda in good air we have a 0 1/2 pump and 36 nozzels do u have a egt or o2 Arc I think this 59* should make an honest 730-740 h.p Cam is a 276/278 110* installed at 106 with a 710/710 lift with 1.6's. Don't have an egt but I'm on it now! Thanks man Dave i wonder how much air those 59* w9's move?

Re: Gremlins in my W-9 [Re: SB449VALIANT] #341860 06/09/09 03:32 PM 06/09/09 03:32 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 116 G ggddemon OP member
ggddemon OP member G Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 116	Quote: Quote: Quote: how much hp do u think it makes a w9 that i built for a guy makes about 800 it gose 8.90s in a 2800 71 cuda in good air we have a 0 1/2 pump and 36 nozzels do u have a egt or o2 Arc I think this 59* should make an honest 730-740 h.p Cam is a 276/278 110* installed at 106 with a 710/710 lift with 1.6's. Don't have an egt but I'm on it now! Thanks man Dave i wonder how much air those 59* w9's move? My engine builder flowed them @ 340@600 Dave

Re: Gremlins in my W-9 [Re: ggddemon] #341861 06/09/09 08:39 PM 06/09/09 08:39 PM
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 243 NJ A arc enthusiast
arc enthusiast A Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 243 NJ	you need a 0 1/2 pump are you positive its a 0 pump

Re: Gremlins in my W-9 [Re: arc] #341862 06/09/09 09:20 PM 06/09/09 09:20 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,078 Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Dartman75 master
Dartman75 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,078 Edmonton, Alberta, Canada	Couple suggestings from my unedjumucated self. Get opr borrow a wide band if you don't have one already, determine if it's leaning out or going too rish leading up to that point. The alternative is that your ignition is falling off somehow. Being that a motor like that probably isn't making peak torque yet by 5700 RPM, you may have way more cylinder pressure at and above those RPMs than your ignition, plugs and distributor are capable of delivering reliably? If it's carb'd and your fuel supply can't keep up with the G's and the volume you're pulling, that could do cut out off right around there. Anyways, best of luck. Greg

Re: Gremlins in my W-9 [Re: arc] #341863 06/09/09 10:28 PM 06/09/09 10:28 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 116 G ggddemon OP member
ggddemon OP member G Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 116	Quote: you need a 0 1/2 pump are you positive its a 0 pump Arc I'm absolutely positive it's a 0 twin gear, I had ordered this originally a 0 1/2 with the recommendation of john and charlie @Ron's," Long story here"!!!!! Later last year I thought this studder was a lack of fuel at the top end, so talking with them tried the new 0 1/2, it fell flat on it's face by 3 tenths.They say the 0 vein pump which they gave me originally goes to a flatline on the upper end. James Monroe say's he wouldn't reccomend these pumps at all. After much discussion with Ron's it was decided a 0 1/2 was far to much for the 416 e-head and to send it back and change to a 0 size. This was done over the winter and the vein was also sent along to get tested and flowed. This spring in talking with Rons it is suggested to use the 0 twin gear and 35 nozzles and pill accordingly, I'll give it another weekend. James reccomends the 0 pump and 33 nozzles and pill accordingly, Heck i'll try anything right now. Msd box the other night, new complete distributor tommorrow along with coil and wires. What's left?? Thanks dave

Re: Gremlins in my W-9 [Re: ggddemon] #341864 06/09/09 10:43 PM 06/09/09 10:43 PM
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 243 NJ A arc enthusiast
arc enthusiast A Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 243 NJ	Quote: Quote: you need a 0 1/2 pump are you positive its a 0 pump Arc I'm absolutely positive it's a 0 twin gear, I had ordered this originally a 0 1/2 with the recommendation of john and charlie @Ron's," Long story here"!!!!! Later last year I thought this studder was a lack of fuel at the top end, so talking with them tried the new 0 1/2, it fell flat on it's face by 3 tenths.They say the 0 vein pump which they gave me originally goes to a flatline on the upper end. James Monroe say's he wouldn't reccomend these pumps at all. After much discussion with Ron's it was decided a 0 1/2 was far to much for the 416 e-head and to send it back and change to a 0 size. This was done over the winter and the vein was also sent along to get tested and flowed. This spring in talking with Rons it is suggested to use the 0 twin gear and 35 nozzles and pill accordingly, I'll give it another weekend. James reccomends the 0 pump and 33 nozzles and pill accordingly, Heck i'll try anything right now. Msd box the other night, new complete distributor tommorrow along with coil and wires. What's left?? Thanks dave maybe e heads needed 0 pump but dont run the w9 with it your going to lift a ring land

Re: Gremlins in my W-9 [Re: arc] #341865 06/09/09 11:36 PM 06/09/09 11:36 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 116 G ggddemon OP member
ggddemon OP member G Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 116	I can easy enough get a new pump UPS aired to the track for sat.I was told by James and john at rons that the 0 1/2 was for +850-900 hp. and i wasn't close to that but I'll get on the phone in the A.M. and get it confirmed again. it wouldn't hurt to have the 0 1/2 pump on hand anyhow for the future< but what your saying is that this twin gear can't feed this enough? At what point does the nozzles and pill overide the pump volume and pressures? This is why I had my pumps flowed at Rons back in January, to make sure the volume and flow rate would be sufficent for this engine. Just for curiousity sake, what's the difference in a system that has a 0 pump/35 nozzle and 86 pill or a 0 1/2 pump 33 nozzle and 90 pill/? dave dave

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