Re: DODGE let me down........CHALLENGER. Kinda LONG. Sorry
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Ron, enjoyable post, and as always written excellently. I admire your knowledge and honest input on this board...and like looking at your cars Btw, off subject a little Few years back i was running a Pontiac dealership. We got our first GTO off the truck and myself and one of my salesmen decided to flog it after it got done being prepped. I drove it outside town, turned around, and put it to the matt. It was a complete pooch and i thought the service dept had yanked the motor out of it during prep Anyhow, my sales guy says"hey dummy, do you have the traction control on"? I did and it really woke up
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Re: DODGE let me down........CHALLENGER. Kinda LONG. Sorry
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The programming "sucks" because Chrysler doesn't want the car coming in on a rollback, owner complaining he broke the differential "driving normally" instead of sidestepping it at 7 grand...on slicks at the track.
But potential warranty claims really don't apply here since the OP's warranty was void the first time he raced it.... so he might as well have given it a "stock" tuneup at the same time. Race it once, presto...no more warranty!
SRT= STREET RACE TECHNOLOGY.... Correct?
So.. If you advertise street and race, why would the warranty be voided? Chrysler has obviously toned these down to avoid warranty issues, but I can't see advertising a "Street Race" car and not expecting anyone to race them..
This is exactly why Chrysler and GM...DON'T GET IT" and Ford does..
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Re: DODGE let me down........CHALLENGER. Kinda LONG. So
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Just to clarify, the car was not burning that much oil. It was needing to add a second quart when I changed the oil just before I sold it. At about 5500 miles. So that is one quart in 2750 miles. By todays standards that seems like a lot, but may in fact be normal for this motor. And it may have gotten better as it broke in some more. I will bet that every one of your Guy's race motors burn that much oil in that many miles (if you should ever drive that many miles with a race motor) and it is not causing detonation. Or basically I do not believe one quart in 2750 miles is enough to cause detonation in this motor. I think that question as to the oil level got some of us off track.
Should burn 0=ZERO that new. I have had 2 5.7 HEMI trucks and they used NO oil. They did both make a knocking sound at idle though.....
Even my 95 5.2 rattles a ton at the track unless I mix 93 w/ 104. All it has is the mopar computer.
It's a valve train tick(not detonation like the 5.2 magnums all get), all 5.7's have it. I swapped a 6.1 cam, springs and pushrods into my 03 Ram and the tick disappeared with the pushrods.
On a side note does everyone with an SRT8 know that you have to press and HOLD the trac control button for 10 seconds or so, it will beep and that means the trac control is completely disengaged
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Re: DODGE let me down........CHALLENGER. Kinda LONG. So
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[quote Whats so FUNNY about you is you have no idea who I am. You are the type that sits on the couch and gets all tingley inside when you see a chrysler commercial talking about the "lifetime warranty". Who is going to warranty them if they are not here??? They have made some of the worst looking vehicles in the last few years I have ever seen. If it wasnt for the RAM I think they would be gone. I have ran and have in my shop now more TRUE Mopar racecars and street cars than you can even name. Its people like you that make the "NEW" Chrysler think its OK to make all these UGLY cars. Case in point, that stupid looking Aspen you named. Tell you what Bleedy, is it OK with you if I go today and buy me an '09 Stratus?? What do you think about when I pop the hood and the top of the engine says "Mitschubischi"??? I am more TRUE Mopar than you will ever be......you have no IDEA.
funny thing is, that I really dont give a crap who you are or what you have in your garage... you dont know me either, and you can type your assumptions on here, (btw, they dont offer lifetime warranties on the CTD or SRT line up, so i'm not all giddy inside over it, any other assumptions?)
But, youre the typical need a pat on the back for being someone "big" and "important"... the really funny thing is that I know exactly what you are without knowing you. go figure. Sure I probably would like what you have in your garage, and I would appreciate it, but does that make me think youre more important, or more into this "hobby" then I am? well if you want to think that, then go ahead, I'll let you be more important then me... youre welcome.
Like i said all along, buy what you want, its your money, I dont care if you buy a stratus, or crossfire, or whatever makes your big important ego feel good. I dont care if you dont like the new aspen, or durango or the last few years of cars, i just think its funny you call yourself a TRUE mopar guy... cant handle my opinion? ok, you need to get over it like how you need to get over the fact that the charger is a 4 door.
moving on, I'm done with you.
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Re: DODGE let me down........CHALLENGER. Kinda LONG. So
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[quote Whats so FUNNY about you is you have no idea who I am. You are the type that sits on the couch and gets all tingley inside when you see a chrysler commercial talking about the "lifetime warranty". Who is going to warranty them if they are not here??? They have made some of the worst looking vehicles in the last few years I have ever seen. If it wasnt for the RAM I think they would be gone. I have ran and have in my shop now more TRUE Mopar racecars and street cars than you can even name. Its people like you that make the "NEW" Chrysler think its OK to make all these UGLY cars. Case in point, that stupid looking Aspen you named. Tell you what Bleedy, is it OK with you if I go today and buy me an '09 Stratus?? What do you think about when I pop the hood and the top of the engine says "Mitschubischi"??? I am more TRUE Mopar than you will ever be......you have no IDEA.
funny thing is, that I really dont give a crap who you are or what you have in your garage... you dont know me either, and you can type your assumptions on here, (btw, they dont offer lifetime warranties on the CTD or SRT line up, so i'm not all giddy inside over it, any other assumptions?)
But, youre the typical need a pat on the back for being someone "big" and "important"... the really funny thing is that I know exactly what you are without knowing you. go figure. Sure I probably would like what you have in your garage, and I would appreciate it, but does that make me think youre more important, or more into this "hobby" then I am? well if you want to think that, then go ahead, I'll let you be more important then me... youre welcome.
Like i said all along, buy what you want, its your money, I dont care if you buy a stratus, or crossfire, or whatever makes your big important ego feel good. I dont care if you dont like the new aspen, or durango or the last few years of cars, i just think its funny you call yourself a TRUE mopar guy... cant handle my opinion? ok, you need to get over it like how you need to get over the fact that the charger is a 4 door.
moving on, I'm done with you.
I wont agrue with you like were in High School. You are obvisiously a "computer" car builder. We do the real thing here. MOPAR ONLY SHOP. You keep reading your 0-60 times in "Hotrod Magazine" and telling your buddies that four door car (CRAP) YOU bought is really a Charger....
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Re: DODGE let me down........CHALLENGER. Kinda LONG. So
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[quote I wont agrue with you like were in High School. You are obvisiously a "computer" car builder. We do the real thing here. MOPAR ONLY SHOP. You keep reading your 0-60 times in "Hotrod Magazine" and telling your buddies that four door car (CRAP) YOU bought is really a Charger....
yes it is obvious... ok.
MOPAR ONLY SHOP, but drive a Toyota... OK.
It's obvious that you can only make assumptions and say things to make yourself bigger, because you arent intelligent enough to just say something like...
thanks for letting me spend my money how i want, i'll let you spend your money how you want. I may not like all the new stuff chrysler is putting out now, but you have every right to enjoy what you enjoy... i'll stick to my 70's and early stuff.
instead you do what you do, oh well, i have to go now and build my computer car and catch up on HotRod magazine...
maybe i can get your autograph sometime?
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Re: DODGE let me down........CHALLENGER. Kinda LONG. So
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[quote I wont agrue with you like were in High School. You are obvisiously a "computer" car builder. We do the real thing here. MOPAR ONLY SHOP. You keep reading your 0-60 times in "Hotrod Magazine" and telling your buddies that four door car (CRAP) YOU bought is really a Charger....
yes it is obvious... ok.
MOPAR ONLY SHOP, but drive a Toyota... OK.
It's obvious that you can only make assumptions and say things to make yourself bigger, because you arent intelligent enough to just say something like...
thanks for letting me spend my money how i want, i'll let you spend your money how you want. I may not like all the new stuff chrysler is putting out now, but you have every right to enjoy what you enjoy... i'll stick to my 70's and early stuff.
instead you do what you do, oh well, i have to go now and build my computer car and catch up on HotRod magazine...
maybe i can get your autograph sometime?
Autograph, Sure anytime. You can find me at most all the SS/AH events. I'll even let you sit in the Barracuda while I sign your Charger window sticker for ya.
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Re: DODGE let me down........CHALLENGER. Kinda LONG. Sorry
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Quoted from 440fish- "It is sad that some of you are questioning dragrcr97 ability to drive a car or his ability to work/diagnose one. If you have ever seen one of his cars in person and the workmanship that he put into them, you would be amazed. A few years ago I saw Ron’s Demon at Las Vagas and the workmanship in that car. Talked to him for a few mins. about the car and was very impressed. I only know him from that few minute talk and the posts on this board. I still talk about that Demon to this day. I’m sure his valiant is just as nice.
Ron, Get a 70-71 Challenger and drop the new hemi drive train in that car. I bet you could get it to run fast enough..."
Exactly how much fine craftsmanship was put into this Challenger? People on here have every right to question his driving skills when he comes on here whining about losing 10k on a LEMON. Yet he apparently never had it on a dyno or hooked up to a computer to figure out the power problem, It could have been something VERY small as was previously stated. Remember, he came on here with the problem, we are simply trying to respond.
Now on to the suspension, wheel-hop is a fact of life for most modern performance cars, He just bought a 4200# car with ind. rear suspension. They take a certain technique to get them off the line cleanly & that takes more than one trip to the dragstrip as a seasoned vet should already know. Just talk to all the 03 Cobra, Vette & soon enough camaro guys, wheelhop takes practice & sometimes a few parts to get it under control at the strip. Drag Radials & subframe connectors did it for my 700rwhp Cobra with IRS.
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Re: DODGE let me down........CHALLENGER. Kinda LONG. So
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Autograph, Sure anytime. You can find me at most all the SS/AH events. I'll even let you sit in the Barracuda while I sign your Charger window sticker for ya.
Find you in what section of the stands at most SS/AH events? (kidding)
Sit in that red barracuda with the ugly KOS hood? I'll pass, (not kidding).
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Re: DODGE let me down........CHALLENGER. Kinda LONG. Sorry
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It is sad that some of you are questioning dragrcr97 ability to drive a car or his ability to work/diagnose one. If you have ever seen one of his cars in person and the workmanship that he put into them, you would be amazed. A few years ago I saw Ron’s Demon at Las Vagas and the workmanship in that car.
I second that.
I will third this and it is amazing how fast people forget you had one of the quickest Mopar small block street cars in the country, heck I seen you drive up unload small table, chairs, cooler from the trunk then rip off 9's without lifting the hood.
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Re: DODGE let me down........CHALLENGER. Kinda LONG. Sorry
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You should probably think twice before bashing the computer controlled cars. Show me a "TRUE MOPAR" that ever went in the 12's bone stock at 4100 lbs. I have seen a 300C in person do just that and know there has been more than one Charger that has done the same task. I think this is where this fella's dissapointment lies. The Challenger was advertised to be the bad boy on the block and the 300C that I witnessed outruns his Challenger by a full second???
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Re: DODGE let me down........CHALLENGER. Kinda LONG. Sorry
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I have a "few" mods in my car now, and it is a BLAST to drive. I could care less what it runs at the track as that was not the reason I bought the car. On the street, there is not much that will keep up...unless you start meeting some really serious iron. I'd say it's an easy low 12 @ ~118mph car in street trim....which when you figure a race weight of ~4500 lbs, is a bunch of HP at the wheels for a 370 ci motor. Show me a 4500# 383 powered car run those #'s....and then how streetable is it?
My 68 Fury 4-Door runs in the 12's.. would have been low 12's if I didn't run out of nitrous before I upped the jets. Very streetable, nitrous is a wonderful thing!
1968 Plymouth Fury III 4-Door: 12.79 @ 115, 60'- 1.93 (Hey... it's a Cruise ship... what do you expect?!) Famoso Raceway, 02/08
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Re: DODGE let me down........CHALLENGER. Kinda LONG. Sorry
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Here's a question. How many miles are were on the car? If I recall from my days as a service adviser, these cars were slower until they reached a preset mileage break in point. No???
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Re: DODGE let me down........CHALLENGER. Kinda LONG. Sorry
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http://4lo.com/calc/dynocalc.htm cc According to the above HP calculator at 101 mph it was making 350 hp. At 108 mph it would make 428 hp. I used the weight of 4350 pounds. To all the Ford fans, I worked at a Ford dealer for 15 years and they had the same problem with some cars and diesels having more power off of the showroom floors than others. They would also void your warranty if abuse caused two failures in a row,i.e. mustang gt transmissions. Oil consumption rate of less than a quart per 1,000 miles was considered normal. You might look into buying a good used Viper instead of another new car. I bought an '06 with 14,000 miles on it, it has independent rear and does have wheel hop but it runs a tad faster than 108 mph in the quarter
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Re: DODGE let me down........CHALLENGER. Kinda LONG. Sorry
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devilbrad, be sure and give us that update on how your car ran, if you made it to the track tonight. Maybe I can buy it from you? LOL. I hope you got a good one!!! Good luck, Ron.
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Re: DODGE let me down........CHALLENGER. Kinda LONG. Sorry
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Well I can't blame you for getting rid of your chally. I would have done the same. It was obviously down on quite a bit of power and I think it would be a long and frustrating battle to find where the problem lies. Regardless of what anybody may say I don't think there is a dealer around who would spend more than 5 minutes hearing you out before dismissing your plight & when it comes to warranty and dealing with/talking performance- they are polar opposites. Throwing money at the car to correct something that should never have been a problem is just pissing into the wind as well. You bought the car expecting it to perform and it fell significantly short= unacceptable- End of story. Hopefully the next one's on par.
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