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Re: Barracuda "flat hoods" when did "CRUSH-ZONES" appear?
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This may or may not help you much, but there is some info on Challenger flat hoods in this thread... https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...e=0#Post5250109I'm looking forward to hearing more about the barracuda flat hoods. My 70 'cuda sport hood had been swapped on from a 71, so I can't help much there. I know where a 71 flat hood is at on a rustbucket car in a junkyard, but it's several hours away or I'd look for you. Nice car by the way! I think you're doing the right thing putting it back to original. Tav
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Re: Barracuda "flat hoods" when did "CRUSH-ZONES" appear?
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Dan, I think it was February of 1970 for "B" plant... I had an original paint /6, convert... that had the 2nd generation hood and as for "E" plant cars I think it has March or April.. I have the fender tags from a cuda' I parted that had the later hood. Both cars would be the earliest I have seen the 2nd gen. hood
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Re: Barracuda "flat hoods" when did "CRUSH-ZONES" appear?
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This description should also apply to the rallye hood configuration as well.
And Shaker Hoods also right? Shouldn't all 3 barracuda hoods use the same substructure. (though the 3 hoods could have different change over dates)
That was a really good point about Plymouth emblem on 71 hoods. Can anyone post a pic similar to Ola's showing the half moons?
I'm glad there is finally some more discussion about this.
Tav
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Re: Barracuda "flat hoods" when did "CRUSH-ZONES" appear?
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our 70 chally convert with a spo date of 9/28/69 does not have the crumple zone.
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Re: Barracuda "flat hoods" when did "CRUSH-ZONES" appear?
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And Shaker Hoods also right? Shouldn't all 3 barracuda hoods use the same substructure. (though the 3 hoods could have different change over dates)
Tav
Tav,
Good question. In my experience, SHAKER hoods did not follow the same logic. Here is an example of a 1971 `cuda383 SPD 914 with the original SHAKER hood. Note that it does not have the crush zones nor provisions for the PLYMOUTH emblem. (A case of left over 1970 parts as this car also came with a 1970 console but 1971 T-handle shifter.)
Note: A `cuda383 with the J54 hood built on the same day has the crush zones and the provisions for PLYMOUTH emblem (accepted as normal).
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Re: Barracuda "flat hoods" when did "CRUSH-ZONES" appear?
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I have a '71 /6 Barracuda that I need to aquire a flat hood to replace the scooped hood on there now. Anyone have a car with its original hood from late-'70 or early-'71. What are the build dates of cars when the crush-zones started to appear?
Dan,
Been trying to find orignal hood cars for references. Here is a flat hood SPD 822. Picture is poor (I could get the photograph and re-scan..) It does not have the crush zones. Or at least I can not see them in this scan. Does not have the PLYMOUTH emblem either.
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Re: Barracuda "flat hoods" when did "CRUSH-ZONES" appear?
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And Shaker Hoods also right? Shouldn't all 3 barracuda hoods use the same substructure. (though the 3 hoods could have different change over dates)
Tav
Tav,
Good question. In my experience, SHAKER hoods did not follow the same logic. Here is an example of a 1971 `cuda383 SPD 914 with the original SHAKER hood. Note that it does not have the crush zones nor provisions for the PLYMOUTH emblem. (A case of left over 1970 parts as this car also came with a 1970 console but 1971 T-handle shifter.)
Note: A `cuda383 with the J54 hood built on the same day has the crush zones and the provisions for PLYMOUTH emblem (accepted as normal).
Thanks Ola, that would be a good example of what I was trying to say. The 3 hoods use the same substructure when they're created by the vendor, but their change over dates will be different depending on when the factory ran out and had to order more from the vendor.
In other words, the description of substructure differences (crumple zones, half moons, hinge bolt size, etc.) will aply to all 3 hoods. (eventually shakers were made with these substructure features) However, the changeover dates will be different for each of the 3 hoods depending on when the factory ran out of the previous style.
Since more flat hoods were installed than any other hood, it wouldn't surprise me if their changeover date was earlier than either of the other two hoods because the factory ran out of flat hoods first. (That may not be fact, just saying I wouldn't be surprised.) I'd guess that the J54 hood isn't too far behind that, and the N96 shaker would be a distant third place. (not too many shaker cars)
Very interesting about the 71 'cuda shaker with no crumple zones. The challenger shakers got the crumple zones much earlier than that.
Challengers and Barracudas use a different hood substructure. (challenger hood is longer.) So, people with challenger info should post it in the Challenger Hood thread, here...
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...e=0#Post5250109
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Re: Barracuda "flat hoods" when did "CRUSH-ZONES" appear?
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Hamtramck - All Plymouth hoods
1970 Flat hoods - original cars.
A06 - No crush zone
B20 - No crush zone
304 - Crush zone (Dan found this one)
529 - Crush zone (Dan found this one)
630 - Crush zone
720 - Crush zone
1970 J54 Sport hood - original cars
A30 - No crush zone
B07 - No crush zone
C11 - No crush zone
130 - Crush zone
203 - Crush zone (my hard top)
210 - Crush zone
223 - No crush zone (left over?)
227 - Crush zone
317 - Crush zone
etc.
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Re: Barracuda "flat hoods" when did "CRUSH-ZONES" appear?
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223 - No crush zone (left over?)
Are you sure this one was the original hood?
Nice list Ola! Just to be clear, those are all barracuda/'cuda hoods right? No, challengers?
I'm glad you noted that they were all Hamtramck cars. LA could have a different change over date.
Tav
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Re: Barracuda "flat hoods" when did "CRUSH-ZONES" appear?
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all '70 Hamtramck Barracuda flat hood: the 525 spd I listed above above is 529 w/crush zones & no "Plymouth holes"  looked at a 304-spd w/crush zones & no "Plymouth holes" Off to see the "pilot" car & another hood ..... later
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Hmmm, I must bump this post as there really should be more discussion on it. I am thinking that the 70 hood was used right up to the final day of 70 production because a 71 hood/crumple zone hood would have to have provision for the "plymouth" nameplate and three holes in the front left side of the hood for it. I can't see a 71 hood being available on a 70 car with this provision. If I am wrong, has anyone seen a 71/crumple zone style hood without either the three pre-drilled factory holes for the "plymouth" nameplate on the top side of the hood or three half moon factory spaces in the underside of the hood for same? This description should also apply to the rallye hood configuration as well.
