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tough decision to change crossrams!
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i have a 63 max wedge savoy that has always run a oe crossram on it. it has a 500 ci megablock which has run a best of 10.27 this year at 133.78
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car usually runs 10.30's-10.40 consistently
i have had this indy crossram intake on the shelf for a few years and was going to put it on my new motor but decided that i want this 63 to go a little faster. this should get me 9.90's-10.00 in the heat.
not sure how i feel right now changing a correct car to this aftermnarket piece. this was no easy task switching alot of things around in order to get the indy piece to fit properly.
heres the before and after pictures.
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heres the after pictures, just waiting for the silicone on the intake to dry and the permatex adhesive to dry on the valve covers before i fire it up and set idle and timing.
what do you think?should pick up .3-.4
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Re: tough decision to change crossrams!
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Looks good Chris, I like the stock look,,,but the INDY is cool as well.
Is there any thought to running a "burst" valve ( or something to that effect ) on the manifold.
I know Bob George mods them,,,
Ran into a buddy up at the CC event,,,and he had a few "explosions",,,so he had a type of "relief or burst" valve installed by BG...
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Re: tough decision to change crossrams!
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Looks good Chris, I like the stock look,,,but the INDY is cool as well.
Is there any thought to running a "burst" valve ( or something to that effect ) on the manifold.
I know Bob George mods them,,,
Ran into a buddy up at the CC event,,,and he had a few "explosions",,,so he had a type of "relief or burst" valve installed by BG...
just curious....
i have a indy crossram on my 588 and never had a problem, its all in the jet tuning to get them to fire correctly.
others may say differently but i never had a backfire on my cars.
i think alot of the problems are that guys pump them too much causinga backfire.
i also know the correct metering rods also help greatly to improve idle and throttle response.
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Re: tough decision to change crossrams!
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Looks good Chris....Is that manifold legal in NSS?
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Re: tough decision to change crossrams!
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heres the after pictures, just waiting for the silicone on the intake to dry and the permatex adhesive to dry on the valve covers before i fire it up and set idle and timing.
what do you think?should pick up .3-.4
The old style crossrams aren't real good pieces. You should find what you are looking for in the Indy unit.
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Re: tough decision to change crossrams!
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I ran both on my 63 Dodge. I also dynoed both. the Indy made 55hp on my set up. It also raised the power peak from 5750 to 6850. It was a 500 -1 stock iron Indys,275/.670 roller. The car went a best of 10.33 w/cross ram, 10.18 w/ Indy intake. Eventualy by retarding the cam and running stock aluminum -1 it went 10.13 w/crossram. My intake was one of the 1st produced. I'm sure if I messed with it more it would have run better. Kenny Lazzari and Dave Duel told me to always start the motor with the throtlle depressed. That way if it did backfire (and I believe I remember that Daves did) the pressure in the Intake would escape by the open throttle blades preventing any damage. The new 572 will have the Indy but with the logos  ground off and painted orange. Doug
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That Indy looks awesome. Like a modern day Rat Roaster for wedges. 
 ,,,,,,,,,BUT,,,,,,,,I like the oe look on that car    
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That Indy looks awesome. Like a modern day Rat Roaster for wedges.
,,,,,,,,,BUT,,,,,,,,I like the oe look on that car
Bot it's already on,might as well check it out   
HEMI-ITIS has no cure.
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Re: tough decision to change crossrams!
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That Indy looks awesome. Like a modern day Rat Roaster for wedges.
,,,,,,,,,BUT,,,,,,,,I like the oe look on that car
Bot it's already on,might as well check it out
where do you come up with these pictures, its mind boggling!!! 
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That Indy looks awesome. Like a modern day Rat Roaster for wedges.
,,,,,,,,,BUT,,,,,,,,I like the oe look on that car
Bot it's already on,might as well check it out
where do you come up with these pictures, its mind boggling!!!
They are in the HEMI-ITIS archives
HEMI-ITIS has no cure.
My condition is fully BLOWN!!
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Re: tough decision to change crossrams!
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That Indy looks awesome. Like a modern day Rat Roaster for wedges.
,,,,,,,,,BUT,,,,,,,,I like the oe look on that car
Bot it's already on,might as well check it out
where do you come up with these pictures, its mind boggling!!!
They are in the HEMI-ITIS archives
what the heck are those things??????
they are not in my rides thank
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Re: tough decision to change crossrams!
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I picked up .22 when I went from the maxwedge to the Indy, one thing is that Maxwedge manifolds are all a little differnt, there can be a .1 difference between some of them, any Stock class racer will tell you that. As far as starting mine starts excellent with the Indy, I thought about a pressure relief, but after seeing how easy it starts, never thought any more about it. Mine starts up at a nice idle, never tough the gas after it's warm, cold take about four pumps, starts right up
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Re: tough decision to change crossrams!
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IM hoping to get high 9's down at etown or atco, and 10 teens at lebanon valley.
years ago when i was running a 498 ci motor in my 65 dodge, it went 10.70's, with a oe crossram, out of the box with a indy inline 440-25 intake, it went low 10.30's.
with this motor i think its definitely doeable.
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Re: tough decision to change crossrams!
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I know this is off topic a little..but what valve covers are you using to clear your valvetrain? Fred
got them from mancini racing, stock looking bb valve covers.were like $24.99 when i got them, only ones that would work with a max wedge crossram and harland sharp rockers.
not the best quality but they work, i got a set bof aluminum ones i am going to put on but i need to get breathers put in 1st.
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Re: tough decision to change crossrams!
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Re: tough decision to change crossrams!
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Didnt Andy F gain 90+ HP switching out the OEM cross ram, for the Indy single four? Im pretty sure he did, I can bet that the Bath tub intake is just as good or better than the single four piece. Anyways Looks good Chris
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Re: tough decision to change crossrams!
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I'll be interested in the difference between the oe crossram and the indy intake. Everyone says 3 tenth's and Andy F. dyno comparo said 100hp. I struggled long and hard to get my motor to run with the oe intake. Keep us informed on the results.
A couple of years back when I had my 64 I ran with the oe cross ram and in the heat the best I could get to was a 10.10 and in the best air possible at Norwalk I did get it to run a 9.99. I installed the Indy intake and the first run off the trailer netted me a 9.80 in the heat!! I never tried to get it to go quicker because I was running on the 10.0 index and I worked on slowing it down every where I went. It was an easy .3 pickup and could have been more. However I did blow the tops off of 2 intakes and did have BG add on some blow off's. The 2nd time it happened was not on start up but while driving through the pits 
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Re: tough decision to change crossrams!
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I just took a look at Mancini's store but didn't see anything close to stock looking and would clear ok.. I guess I'll just get the fabbed covers and hope they clear my crossram.
MAS RACING also sells the same ones. you can find them in mopar collectors guide.
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Re: tough decision to change crossrams!
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Didnt Andy F gain 90+ HP switching out the OEM cross ram, for the Indy single four? Im pretty sure he did, I can bet that the Bath tub intake is just as good or better than the single four piece.
Anyways
Looks good Chris
thanks im using AndyF throttle linkage and throttle hold down bracket as well.
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Re: tough decision to change crossrams!
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That Indy looks awesome. Like a modern day Rat Roaster for wedges.
,,,,,,,,,BUT,,,,,,,,I like the oe look on that car
Me too as the oe intake is just so cool. But its your car and we know this intake is faster. Ron
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I JUST FIRED UP THE 63 plymouth for the 1st time with the indy intake and it sounds alot different. i think im going to like the et gains this weekend. ill post results after the NENDRA race this saturday.
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I'll be interested in the difference between the oe crossram and the indy intake. Everyone says 3 tenth's and Andy F. dyno comparo said 100hp. I struggled long and hard to get my motor to run with the oe intake. Keep us informed on the results.
A couple of years back when I had my 64 I ran with the oe cross ram and in the heat the best I could get to was a 10.10 and in the best air possible at Norwalk I did get it to run a 9.99. I installed the Indy intake and the first run off the trailer netted me a 9.80 in the heat!! I never tried to get it to go quicker because I was running on the 10.0 index and I worked on slowing it down every where I went. It was an easy .3 pickup and could have been more. However I did blow the tops off of 2 intakes and did have BG add on some blow off's. The 2nd time it happened was not on start up but while driving through the pits
Russ
These intakes are quite reliable when carbs and starting methods are correct.When Russ had his issues I told him to look for a carb problem,I believe he found one that was bleeding over.Once you have one or two blow-up you get shy and install the sneezer valves.I have seen guys play with the carbs and pump raw gas into the intake and blow them apart on fire up.  A good rule of thumb is a couple of good pumps of the throttle and hold the plates 1/3 open or better when firing up a cold engine.The sneezers(blow-offs) are extra insurance
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I'm surprised it fit under the stock hood/scoop.
How close are the carbs to the hood now?
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The front carb airhorn just sticks above the hood,so a stock type scoop works. I have seen from DVW.s 55 horse to a little over 100. When we built Jim Wipples 500 incher with a stock intake it would only go 10.20- 10.30's. When I put on the indy it would go 9.80-9.90's. and picked up about 8-10 mph. By the way Jim's health is restricking him from racing anymore and his 62 Dodge is for sale. Jake
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The front carb airhorn just sticks above the hood,so a stock type scoop works. I have seen from DVW.s 55 horse to a little over 100. When we built Jim Wipples 500 incher with a stock intake it would only go 10.20- 10.30's. When I put on the indy it would go 9.80-9.90's. and picked up about 8-10 mph. By the way Jim's health is restricking him from racing anymore and his 62 Dodge is for sale. Jake
Just put on on our 67 Plymouth(in line) and have 1/2" from top of scoop to airhorn on the front carb,a lot more on the back carb.Jake,give my best thoughts to Jim,a great guy.
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The front carb airhorn just sticks above the hood,so a stock type scoop works. I have seen from DVW.s 55 horse to a little over 100. When we built Jim Wipples 500 incher with a stock intake it would only go 10.20- 10.30's. When I put on the indy it would go 9.80-9.90's. and picked up about 8-10 mph. By the way Jim's health is restricking him from racing anymore and his 62 Dodge is for sale. Jake
i hoping to see those results, car feels real good, but the oe crossram was a smooth idle and had great throttle response.
im wondering if timing will be the same or would a bump up in timing help this large intake.
im at 35 degrees now.
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