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Help! Crank Pulley too far forward /w ATI super damper #333578
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I just bolted up the water pump and crank pulleys, and the crank pulley is too far forward.
I am pretty sure this is because of the ATI Super damper?

Anyone have a source for crank pulleys that work with the ATI damper? The pulleys I currently have are the March Underdrive 4-Belt pulleys for an A/C and P/S car. It really don't want to try correcting brackets for all those accessories!

Re: Help! Crank Pulley too far forward /w ATI super damper [Re: 451Mopar] #333579
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Might need the 3/8 Water Pump spacers which is common for a lot of aftermarket Dampeners. The WP accessory bolts will typically bring the other accessories (ps pump/alt) into line.


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Re: Help! Crank Pulley too far forward /w ATI super damper [Re: 451Mopar] #333580
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there is a fluidampr that is made for a march crank pulley I think.

Re: Help! Crank Pulley too far forward /w ATI super damper [Re: 451Mopar] #333581
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i have the march serp kit and it works with my superdamper. i seem to remember ther being an issue with the hub.... had to get a different hub....

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Re: Help! Crank Pulley too far forward /w ATI super damper [Re: moparniac] #333582
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March makes an under drive pulley for them.I think the kid has one new one in the garage.Rocky


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Re: Help! Crank Pulley too far forward /w ATI super damper [Re: 451Mopar] #333583
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Which Damper mdid you get? What type of Timing cover do you have? When I had my Indy Cover on my Engine I ordered the wrong damper and a call to ATI got me a replacement which let my pullys line up without any crazy shims or spacers...just saying...

They have four or five different length Mopar hubs.

http://www.atiracing.com/products/dampers/charts/damchrysler.htm

Hope this helps or it's cutting time!


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Re: Help! Crank Pulley too far forward /w ATI super damper [Re: 451Mopar] #333584
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I ordered the March pulleys designed for the FluidDamper. I think these will work?
I should have them in a few days....

Re: Help! Crank Pulley too far forward /w ATI super damper [Re: 451Mopar] #333585
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I ordered the March pulleys designed for the FluidDamper. I think these will work?
I should have them in a few days....




Just got back in town....
Bad news, They still don't fit, but now the crank pulley is only about 3/8" too close to the inside?
Anyone make a 3/8" spacer for the crank pulley?

Also, found out my 727 trans has the '70 and earlier stator support (and front pump) and dosen't fit the new TSC front drum with the wide bushing....

Re: Help! Crank Pulley too far forward /w ATI super damper [Re: 451Mopar] #333586
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Mancini Racing has crankshaft pulley spacers.

Re: Help! Crank Pulley too far forward /w ATI super damper [Re: 451Mopar] #333587
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I have the ATI damper with SB chevy bolt pattern for the pulley, I still had to do some shimming to make it line up (4 3/8 inch washers for each of the 3 bolts worked just fine). I originally got talked into the chevy pulley pattern because SBC pulleys are cheap and plentiful...but it ended up nothing but a pain in the...


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Update: Crank Pulley too far forward [Re: AndyF] #333588
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Mancini Racing has crankshaft pulley spacers.



Thanks Andy, Mancini sells a billet 3/8" crank spacer. I just had to order longer pulley bolts...

More project setbacks, I was inspecting the 727 trans, and noticed I had broken a few teeth off the front gear splines
Are there any special discount deals on the steel front 727 Gears? I looked at Cope Racing, and they list for around $400? and the hardened output shaft is $675..
I guess I need to start working overtime.

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after i put my aftermarker damper and then crank trigger i got a old pulley (big block mopar 3 groove) measured how much to far it stuck out....took it to work and had it put in the lath and cut that amount out of the neck and welded back up worked perfict


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Re: Help! Crank Pulley too far forward /w ATI super damper [Re: 451Mopar] #333590
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451. Same exact problem here, so I'm trying to get a lead on this as it is keeping me from firing up my new motor. I have the underdrive March pulleys also that I ran with the Fluid Damper with no issues. They are the single V-belt types. My crank pulley also sits in about 3/8 of an inch.

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How did you balance that pulley after the cutting and welding?

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Like I said, I have the same problem with my under drive March crank pulley combined with the ATI #19122E Super Damper.
My bottom crank pulley sits in about 3/8 of an inch or so compared to the upper water pump pulley.
I just ordered the Mancini # AR1340 billet spacer and it should be in my hands in a few days. The dimensions are 0.375 thick which narrows out to about 3/8 of an inch.
I'll slap it on as soon as I get it and let y'all know the results.

By the way, the ATI Super Damper is lighter then the Fluid Damper.

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I got the spacer from Mancinni today and the pulleys all line up now Now I am waiting for the 1-1/2" long ARP bolts to come in so I can bolt it all up. Of course, the way this project is going the spark plug wires I ordered (and specifically mentioned they were for a stock type distrubitor cap) came in and were for a HEI type cap
My next project is to make a bracket to mount my 130 Amp Denso alternator next to the right side of the thermostat housing.
I will have to take some pictures of the pulleys and alternator mounting..

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What is the ARP bolts part number so that I may order them also?
I was going to dig in my misc. box of bolts, but figured that this calls for some good high grade hardware which I may not have in that length.

Visually regretful, I am running a GM 200 amp 1 wire alternator which has served my purpose for some time now. When Mopar creates a 200 amp 1 wire, I'll switch over again.

Re: Help! Crank Pulley too far forward /w ATI super da [Re: fullmetaljacket] #333596
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What is the ARP bolts part number so that I may order them also?
I was going to dig in my misc. box of bolts, but figured that this calls for some good high grade hardware which I may not have in that length.

Visually regretful, I am running a GM 200 amp 1 wire alternator which has served my purpose for some time now. When Mopar creates a 200 amp 1 wire, I'll switch over again.




Here are some pictures:
ARP stainless 12-point 5/16" x 18 tpi, 1.50" long.
they are a bit long, but I figured it would be easier to grind a bit off than use bolts that are too short. I measured the depth of the bolt surface on the pulley to the timing chain cover using my vernier calipers and the distance was around 1.625" so there should be no problem, and when I add the washer (or two) under the bolt head there should be plenty of clearance for the timing chain cover. The ARP part number is 612-1500. I just with they sold them in six packs, I had to buy two cards with 5 bolts each.

5313748-arp-bolts.JPG (316 downloads)
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more pictures:
Side shot showing thread depth into damper.

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