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Does anybody repro the daytona nose cones? #331970
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Does anybody out there do a good repro of the Daytona Nose cones?

I was wondering if ther eis a need for a good quality accurate repro of these...

Re: Does anybody repro the daytona nose cones? [Re: domingo] #331971
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Depends on if you want steel or fiberglass.
Ted Janak is the man for steel parts. He also sells glass noses

http://wingedwarriorbodyparts.com/

or Dayclona

http://wingedwarriorbodyparts.com/


and there's another guy I believe down in the south (Mississippi?) but his name escapes me now.I'm sure others will chime in

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Supposedly there is also a very high quality piece avalible from a guy named Mike that owns a company called Dayclona...

Re: Does anybody repro the daytona nose cones? [Re: ricomondo] #331973
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Depends on if you want steel or fiberglass.
Ted Janak is the man for steel parts. He also sells glass noses

http://wingedwarriorbodyparts.com/

or Dayclona

http://wingedwarriorbodyparts.com/


and there's another guy I believe down in the south (Mississippi?) but his name escapes me now.I'm sure others will chime in







Hmmmmmm,.............Ted Janak, in Texas, makes a fiberglass nose cone, always has,

Dayclona,( That's me) in Massachussetts.......makes a fiberglass nose cone

Jack McGaughey, ...in Georgia, makes steel nosecones

Gene Gregory, in Indiana, ...makes steel nosecones



All of the above are the "Preimer" vendors for wingcar parts, each haveing their pros/cons......there are other vendors making wingcar parts, but they are the ones usually avoided.....


Be aware the wingcar market is very small, if your going to invest in a steel replica cone, your tooling return will probally never be seen?.......and if you think people complain about repro sheetmetal fitment problems now!,....wait until you deal with a few wingers!



Current market price of repro steel cones is $5K-$7K,.......Glass cones run from $600 for junk,....to $1500 avg for a quality cone



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How were they originally made??? Steel or aluminum???

I could make em by hand, with some "basic tooling" no real hard tooling. I could use one of my parts cars and a couple 70 charger fenders to test fit each cone to make sure they fit right with no problems. Its the same way I do the 64-67 HEMI scoops and MW scoops I sell and I have never had 1 single complaint regarding fitment or quality issues.

I could certainly do better than 5k for a repro steel nose cone.

Im just wondering if it would be worth it. I would plan on using a NOS nose cone as a pattern.

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the noses are steel. Would you also be offering any of the support bracing/attaching items or just the shell?

I think it would hurt your efforts if you only offered the shell.

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I could certainly do better than 5k for a repro steel nose cone.

Im just wondering if it would be worth it. I would plan on using a NOS nose cone as a pattern.







Domingo,



The cones were steel, and they were hand made on kirksite molds, back in the day at a rate of about 16-20 cones a day with a 12-16 man crew,....many of the wingcar parts were handmade because of their limited production, and the bean counters influence,......so this equates to a lot of "sloppy" parts/fits,.........keep that in mind when working with NOS wingcar parts,....I've found out the hard way, that NOS wingcar parts are perhaps the worst line rejects to deal with, if your going to base your repros off of deminsionally,......a seasoned (off the car) original part is a much better canidate,.....if you feel you can offer a steel repro for a much better price on the market than $5K, it's your choice if you want to step in the waters,......but keep in mind, it's a very small market

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How were they originally made??? Steel or aluminum???

I could make em by hand, with some "basic tooling" no real hard tooling. I could use one of my parts cars and a couple 70 charger fenders to test fit each cone to make sure they fit right with no problems. Its the same way I do the 64-67 HEMI scoops and MW scoops I sell and I have never had 1 single complaint regarding fitment or quality issues.

I could certainly do better than 5k for a repro steel nose cone.

Im just wondering if it would be worth it. I would plan on using a NOS nose cone as a pattern.




It's a very small market and alot of parts to
make for a complete operational set up. I think
with the number of people making stuff now your
to far behind in development to spend time developing it and make a profit.
Between Mike,Ted and Gene they have the market
covered with all the parts needed. There is also
another guy behind the seens making headlight
pivot brackets, latch trays, wing supports, Jacks etc.
You mentioned staying under 5k ?,
You would need to stay under 4 k on a steel nose
Also Gene's noses are steel, as far as I know the
others are glass but more affordable.

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1500 clams for a nose ? ... guess what part I will consider making directly when my production gets on-line !

On that site ....why are there no published prices ?

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1500 clams for a nose ? ... guess what part I will consider making directly when my production gets on-line !

On that site ....why are there no published prices ?










Eric, the site with no prices, I assume your taking about Janaks site,.......if you get a catalog from him, prices are listed, they change with the weather with him..........the reason for higher priced fiberglassed cones on the market, such as mine, or Janaks, are that they fit!, all flanges are there for all of the necessary bulkheads, light buckets, valance tabs, latch tray attachment, etc, and they are done in one lay-up, no pcs added later, to crack, or split under driving/road stress, therefore a much more complex moulding process to achieve a 1 piece construction, more set-up time, more "dress" time to trim out a peice, plus premium fiberglass supplies/materials equate to more costs associated to the finished product, my cone usually takes 40 hrs actual man hrs. from raw start(mold prep) to ship ready.....the cheaper fiberglass cones on the market, suffer from poor fit/shape, little to no flanges, poor lay-up, or choice of materials, construction, etc, and the ablilty to use factory, repro parts from other manufacturers,.....if your going to enter the winger market, there's only two ends to the market $1.98 wingers....or high end wingers, no in between exsists in this market,.....I didn't make the rules, just they way it is.......plus when you start a "wing" endeavor, most, if not all customers want the corresponding componets to go with your offerings,....because there's not many places to turn to for parts that interchange with other vendors offerings,.....wingcar part suppling has a way of snowballing your plans for production.....

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Mike .... prices that change with the weather ??.. !! ... whata' guy !... ....whata' way to run a BIZ ..

Just a couple of quick Q's .... how many parts is the actual mold ? ... what does the finished part weigh?

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Just a couple of quick Q's .... how many parts is the actual mold ? ... what does the finished part weigh?







By "parts" in the mold, I'll assume the molds constuction, not the number of attachment parts in the nosecone,.....my daytona mold consists of 10 sections that bolt together to create all the positive and negitive mold features needed to form all the nescessary flanges, internally and externally,......finished part weighs in at approx 40-45 lbs




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Eric,...then there's the bird cone, should you decide to add this to your inventory?...more surface detail, and deminsionaly larger than the Tona'

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Looks good ..... just curious -- why white gel-coat?

So your 10 pc mold bolts together? ... with pins and bushings ?

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Looks good ..... just curious -- why white gel-coat?

So your 10 pc mold bolts together? ... with pins and bushings ?








Eric,


I can tint the white gel-coat to the customers color choice, within reason, black, gray, yellow, red, orange, etc for a favorable color underlayment depending on their finished car color, seeing the nose will be prone to road/rock chips,.....I use a premium marine UV stabilized Gel-coat versus the generic "gray" gel-coat, buy it by the drum crap that offers no UV protection to the mat underlayment



My mold is assembled using nylon pins for alignment, and nylon nuts/bolts for EASE of disassembly,.....if you know what I mean

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1500 clams for a nose ? ... guess what part I will consider making directly when my production gets on-line !

On that site ....why are there no published prices ?




Doc, do you actually make parts? in the 10yrs i have been on here i have never seen anything you have done, just "i can make that" do you have a company or?

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Interesting ... honestly ...I have never really looked at that nose in-depth before.

My multi-part one-piece fiberglass molding experience is somewhat limited .... but whan I have done-it I have used bronze bushings that are 'glassed into the part when the mold is being made and then steel rods are used to line-up the mold exactly. Then I used simple c-clamps or spring-clamps.

Just curious .. how many people/companies produce a FG nose ?

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