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how do you start yours when it's cold and been sitting for months? I've got two, an MS162 and an MS291. The little one isn't too bad, the big one is a beast to start, both run and work great after you get them running. I've had the little one for eight years, the big one is only two years old. Any help, ideas and suggestions are welcome. Thanks.


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Re: Still chainsaws, who has 'em and... [Re: Guitar Jones] #3290181
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Run good oil that has storage as part of it's make up and when mine sit for very long, I give them a whiff of starting fluid or WD40. But just a whiff. Saves a lot of pulling.


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I'm using either Stihl or VP premixed fuel. Been thinking about some starting fluid but was a little hesitant. Thanks


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Re: Still chainsaws, who has 'em and... [Re: Guitar Jones] #3290190
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I'm a Stihl certified Silver Level Tech and here is what I teach to a customer and especially if they are a first time customer of a Stihl (or any brand for that matter).

Make sure there is fresh or good pre-mix in the tank. If not dump it and put in some Motomix Stihl 93 octane gas. Assuming the pickup (fuel) filter is good the next step is the actual normal first step

PUT CHAIN LOCK ON push lever forward!!

1. Compress the top safety lever and squeeze the throttle trigger fully and hold it wide open and move the choke/start/stop lever to full choke position and hold it there then release your finger from the full throttle position and this will lock the full choke into position.

2. Pull the start pull cord 1 or 2 briskly or until you hear or feel a "pop" from the engine, the engine is now primed (more on this in a few), Even if the saw has a primer (bulb) the full choke ONE "pop" is all you need for priming.

3. Now put the start/stop/run lever into the secondary choke or partial choke position and pull the starter cord briskly and it should start and run at or around 5k rpm.

4. Let it run with the chain lock on until you can feel some warm exhaust coming out the muffler then blip the throttle, and it should idle on its own,

In short, lock it into full choke position, pull cord one or more times until you hear or feel a "pop". Put choke into the half or partial position, then pull starter.

Mike


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Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
I'm using either Stihl or VP premixed fuel. Been thinking about some starting fluid but was a little hesitant. Thanks


Sneak up on it. A little is certainly better than a lot. I don't use my saws much. So they often sit weeks and even months at a time. Consequently, I use the starting fluid to start them more often than not. My bigger Stihl I have had for 20 years or more.

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Originally Posted by A12
I'm a Stihl certified Silver Level Tech and here is what I teach to a customer and especially if they are a first time customer of a Stihl (or any brand for that matter).

Make sure there is fresh or good pre-mix in the tank. If not dump it and put in some Motomix Stihl 93 octane gas. Assuming the pickup (fuel) filter is good the next step is the actual normal first step

PUT CHAIN LOCK ON push lever forward!!

1. Compress the top safety lever and squeeze the throttle trigger fully and hold it wide open and move the choke/start/stop lever to full choke position and hold it there then release your finger from the full throttle position and this will lock the full choke into position.

2. Pull the start pull cord 1 or 2 briskly or until you hear or feel a "pop" from the engine, the engine is now primed (more on this in a few), Even if the saw has a primer (bulb) the full choke ONE "pop" is all you need for priming.

3. Now put the start/stop/run lever into the secondary choke or partial choke position and pull the starter cord briskly and it should start and run at or around 5k rpm.

4. Let it run with the chain lock on until you can feel some warm exhaust coming out the muffler then blip the throttle, and it should idle on its own,

In short, lock it into full choke position, pull cord one or more times until you hear or feel a "pop". Put choke into the half or partial position, then pull starter.

Mike



I am fully aware of the official starting procedure, but lets be perfectly honest, 1 or 2 pulls never works, in fact 20 pulls don't work without some mechanical gymnastics or sorcery.


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Re: Still chainsaws, who has 'em and... [Re: Guitar Jones] #3290202
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Then there's something wrong like a bad carburetor, coil etc., Just saying from my 60+ years of experience with 2-strokes, from 2-stroke motorcycles of 50cc to 550cc for a major manufacturer for 34-years as the technical manager and then on to a Stihl tech for the last 14-years. You don't know how many new and used chainsaws, trimmers, blowers, hedge trimmers, etc., I've started without doing anything but the procedure I described after being told "It won't start". At the most it ever takes is a new spark because it was soaked (fouled) because the previous person didn't use the correct starting procedure. Just saying I've done this for a living for decades. If I can't start a 2-stroke garden piece using this method then there is some adjust or mechanical issue. If it ran when you last used it then as long as the gas is good then it's the fuel has gummed up the fuel system or the spark plug is fouled.

If you think it might be a gummed-up carb and fuel system, then try some Stihl already mixed 93 octane ethanol free Motomix. What's best about it is the consistency of the perfect 50 to 1 ratio mix, premium gas 93 octane and ethanol free. Also there's VP Fix-It you can mix 50/50 with Motomix. Just trying to help.

Mike

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Originally Posted by A12
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Only problem is it does not have a primer bulb. Wish it did.



Doesn't matter, when your pulling the start cord in the full choke position you're "primming" the carburetor in that mode. Eliminate primer step #1 and start (pun) with #2. New out of the box saws, trimmers, etc., without a primer are "primed" this way. We were instructed not to have the customer present during the first start because it sometimes takes a lot of "priming" and it may look like the unit is hard to start because of the first prime. Full choke "prime" until you hear or feel the first "pop", (only one pop! and) then to the partial choke and it will fire up.....going out on a limb (pun again) from hundreds of times doing this.


Great! That is kinda where I was heading. This last time I did 2 pulls with choke and 4 without. Started on the 6th overall pull.


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Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
I am fully aware of the official starting procedure, but lets be perfectly honest, 1 or 2 pulls never works, in fact 20 pulls don't work without some mechanical gymnastics or sorcery.


So it's only 2 years old.
Has it always been that hard to start?

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I’ve had mine for probably 8 years now. I store it with stabil 360 in it and start it spring and fall if not used. It basically pops off like the one guy posted. Sure sounds like a carb issue.


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We use to bring them into the house at night or put them in the passenger compartment in the log trucks for a little while to warm them up when it was below 50F outside wrench up scope


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Originally Posted by A12
Then there's something wrong like a bad carburetor, coil etc., Just saying from my 60+ years of experience with 2-strokes, from 2-stroke motorcycles of 50cc to 550cc for a major manufacturer for 34-years as the technical manager and then on to a Stihl tech for the last 14-years. You don't know how many new and used chainsaws, trimmers, blowers, hedge trimmers, etc., I've started without doing anything but the procedure I described after being told "It won't start". At the most it ever takes is a new spark because it was soaked (fouled) because the previous person didn't use the correct starting procedure. Just saying I've done this for a living for decades. If I can't start a 2-stroke garden piece using this method then there is some adjust or mechanical issue. If it ran when you last used it then as long as the gas is good then it's the fuel has gummed up the fuel system or the spark plug is fouled.

If you think it might be a gummed-up carb and fuel system, then try some Stihl already mixed 93 octane ethanol free Motomix. What's best about it is the consistency of the perfect 50 to 1 ratio mix, premium gas 93 octane and ethanol free. Also there's VP Fix-It you can mix 50/50 with Motomix. Just trying to help.

Mike


Did you read my post and what fuel I'm using? They both run and idle fine after starting, I drain the fuel out when I'm done using them, I have no other issues with them other than getting them started after they have been sitting for several months and it is cold outside, like the other day it was 23°. Neither one of these chain saws have more than 10 hours use on them, and they both act the same way. Probably wouldn't be an issue if I was still in Florida.


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Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
We use to bring them into the house at night or put them in the passenger compartment in the log trucks for a little while to warm them up when it was below 50F outside wrench up scope


You may be on to something. However I don't always know ahead of time if I need to cut a tree that has fallen across the road until I get there.


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Originally Posted by Fat_Mike
Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
I am fully aware of the official starting procedure, but lets be perfectly honest, 1 or 2 pulls never works, in fact 20 pulls don't work without some mechanical gymnastics or sorcery.


So it's only 2 years old.
Has it always been that hard to start?


Yes, both of them when cold outside and they've been sitting.


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Originally Posted by SomeCarGuy
I’ve had mine for probably 8 years now. I store it with stabil 360 in it and start it spring and fall if not used. It basically pops off like the one guy posted. Sure sounds like a carb issue.


I've had a Stihl 024 chainsaw since 1983 and a few other Stihl items (BG60 blower, 2 trimmers) and added another Stihl chainsaw and BGA85 blower, electric corded hedge trimmer. The 024 chainsaw and the two trimmers were from a Stihl engineer I became friends with in '83 as he put me on his product testing and evaluation list and would send me "sample" products to give him feedback.

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Good to see you Mike. My bride works in the office at the Stihl warehouse here in Mebane, NC. She loves working for the company! And yes, we have a few pieces of Stihl equipment and are slowly gathering more. 👍

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Another thing we used to do way back when we rode our Yamaha dirt bikes in the winter (yeah, it's been a long, long time ago) we would pull the spark plug and heat up the electrode with a lighter or on the gas stove. Particularly for well worn bikes, that would be the difference between whether they would start or not.

Remember too, that 2 strokes have to 'charge' the crankcase in order to push the fuel mixture up to the combustion chamber. Depending on a number of factors, that can take a crank or two all by itself. Newer stuff is also metered leaner than the older stuff. (thank you greenies) Yesterday it was real cold here. My nearly new fuel injected Honda side by side did not want to start. Almost run out of battery. A common complaint on them. And that is of course a 4 stroke. Maybe the new EPA rules will allow a 'tune' for it that will eliminate that issue.
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Got a question about an MS250 chain saw. It no longer kills when turned offa t switch. I have to choke it to get it to kill.

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If you don't know the basic principles of how a gasoline engine works you should probably get an electric saw. I thought you were some kind of a mechanic from some of your posts.


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