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To Delete or not Delete, that is the question #3284471
01/23/25 01:22 PM
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So I took my truck in for it going into limp mode and saying the dpf is plugged...They called and told me its time to delete it. Probably has a leaky injector. I have a Smarty S67 programmer already, but none of the kits are offered to use with one....What say you guys?


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: To Delete or not Delete, that is the question [Re: Dragula] #3284567
01/23/25 07:05 PM
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who is "they" who told you to delete it? Dealer? I know this is a little like apples and oranges the guy I know of that works at International (yeah I know, bigger trucks) who tells me all the time of deleted trucks that come in, and pulled right back out after telling the owner that they refuse to work on their truck further until the owner either 1. takes said truck back and reinstalls everything "as built" and then brings it back for desired service, or (2) pays the International dealer to do so before/ or in conjunction with whatever else the truck was brought in for....
Someone I know has a 17 Ram 2500 that is deleted and keeps getting bugged by Chrysler to bring that truck in for 2 recalls.... one has something to do with emissions and the other is the ABS HCU controller and doesn't know what will happen if he takes it in (hopefully) just for the brake system recall.... once in their hands I don't think they can release it back to him without having done both recalls.... this isn't like (pre OBD II) where people took their "cats" off and put a straight pipe in... because of the "rolling coal" idiots, they are taking a harder stance on diesels.....
I dunno that I would in these days..... I've considered buying a Cummins truck off n on, but if I do it will be a pre DEF model.

Re: To Delete or not Delete, that is the question [Re: Dragula] #3284634
01/24/25 07:57 AM
01/24/25 07:57 AM
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If it's your personal truck I say go for it. If it's got a DOT number I wouldn't. I haven't had our company pickup tested the few times I went thru a DOT stop yet.

Re: To Delete or not Delete, that is the question [Re: volaredon] #3284661
01/24/25 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by volaredon
who is "they" who told you to delete it? Dealer? I know this is a little like apples and oranges the guy I know of that works at International (yeah I know, bigger trucks) who tells me all the time of deleted trucks that come in, and pulled right back out after telling the owner that they refuse to work on their truck further until the owner either 1. takes said truck back and reinstalls everything "as built" and then brings it back for desired service, or (2) pays the International dealer to do so before/ or in conjunction with whatever else the truck was brought in for....
Someone I know has a 17 Ram 2500 that is deleted and keeps getting bugged by Chrysler to bring that truck in for 2 recalls.... one has something to do with emissions and the other is the ABS HCU controller and doesn't know what will happen if he takes it in (hopefully) just for the brake system recall.... once in their hands I don't think they can release it back to him without having done both recalls.... this isn't like (pre OBD II) where people took their "cats" off and put a straight pipe in... because of the "rolling coal" idiots, they are taking a harder stance on diesels.....
I dunno that I would in these days..... I've considered buying a Cummins truck off n on, but if I do it will be a pre DEF model.


Its +$8k to replace the "filter" and stuff that isn't actually a filter, but a plugged exhaust according to the shop....A filter by definition you are able to take the lid off and replace it...An entire exhaust system replacement is not a "filter" so I am not about to pay $8k for a filter replacement & injectors. I would rather light it on fire and bring marsh mellows. I have owned Cummins diesels since '98, and this is my first emissions one, and my last one for sure. They screwed this all up, and I am stuck with it. This system does not work, and it is not feasibly serviceable. The engine light came on the day I drove it home, and its been on over 50% of the time I have owned it. My last trucks you only saw the engine light when somthing went really wrong, and that was rare.

Personally I could poke them in the eye leaving us out to dry without a solution like this...At this point, I don't see any other solution available and I am not happy about it.

I get that the gubment took the sulfur out of the fuel and then required the companies to meet emissions, but jumpen geewhosafit, this Cummins emission reduction plan does not work. Its probably a worn injector that is plugging up my exhaust, but if you make the injectors $1000/inj and impossible to change out, or figure out which one it is, this is where you go round and round spending money for nothing. V8 engines will be insured a long life thanks to these kinds of diesel emissions solutions.


Last edited by Dragula; 01/24/25 12:10 PM.

'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: To Delete or not Delete, that is the question [Re: Dragula] #3284687
01/24/25 12:21 PM
01/24/25 12:21 PM
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I'd delete it... but your done taking it to a dealer there after. You would then need to find an empathetic shop ( they are out there) for future work twocents


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'01 Dodge 3500 S Cummins Auto, Fresh air kit, 4" Exhaust,
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Re: To Delete or not Delete, that is the question [Re: volaredon] #3284690
01/24/25 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by volaredon
who is "they" who told you to delete it? Dealer? I know this is a little like apples and oranges the guy I know of that works at International (yeah I know, bigger trucks) who tells me all the time of deleted trucks that come in, and pulled right back out after telling the owner that they refuse to work on their truck further until the owner either 1. takes said truck back and reinstalls everything "as built" and then brings it back for desired service, or (2) pays the International dealer to do so before/ or in conjunction with whatever else the truck was brought in for....
Someone I know has a 17 Ram 2500 that is deleted and keeps getting bugged by Chrysler to bring that truck in for 2 recalls.... one has something to do with emissions and the other is the ABS HCU controller and doesn't know what will happen if he takes it in (hopefully) just for the brake system recall.... once in their hands I don't think they can release it back to him without having done both recalls.... this isn't like (pre OBD II) where people took their "cats" off and put a straight pipe in... because of the "rolling coal" idiots, they are taking a harder stance on diesels.....
I dunno that I would in these days..... I've considered buying a Cummins truck off n on, but if I do it will be a pre DEF model.


Once in dealers hands ALL recalls will be done. No exception


Enjoy life today, It has an expiration date
Re: To Delete or not Delete, that is the question [Re: W.I.N. Racing] #3284702
01/24/25 01:03 PM
01/24/25 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by W.I.N. Racing
I'd delete it... but your done taking it to a dealer there after. You would then need to find an empathetic shop ( they are out there) for future work twocents


Ooh I found a shop..They are the ones that said they would delete it as long as I order the parts. I am just surprised this is what it has turned into. I do not have the time to do this at the moment. Timing could not be worse.


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: To Delete or not Delete, that is the question [Re: Dragula] #3284838
01/25/25 10:20 AM
01/25/25 10:20 AM
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I ordered the parts....its getting deleted.


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: To Delete or not Delete, that is the question [Re: Dragula] #3285046
01/26/25 10:20 AM
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What year is your truck? Let us know how it runs/works out after the delete.

Re: To Delete or not Delete, that is the question [Re: John Burdine] #3285204
01/26/25 09:14 PM
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'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk






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